thanksforsharing@msn.com
July 2004
Dear Marie, My ggg Grandfather Jacob
Zeller [ also Zoller ] was born April 18 1777 in Pennsylvania died 1848 in
Brecknock Township, Lancaster County , Pennsylvania.
His first Land purchase was arround
1799. He is buried at St. Johns Luthern Union Cemetery in East Earl Township,
Lancaster County, PA. His widow Anna Maria Shupp born in Brecknock Township
April 13, 1777 and daughter of George Adam Shupp and Anna Maria Keiffer Shupp,
moved to Darke County Ohio [ AGE 78] with her son George and his
family. Are the DNA tests available to this Zeller family members?
Thanks , Richard Zeller, 2320 N. Alberta St. Portland, Oregon 97217
email thanksforsharing@msn.com
Pnone 503.285.5706
_____________________________________________________________________
RICHARD, thanks.
Yes, you can use our group price and
we will show results on our SELLERS
pages.
http://showcase.netins.net/web/sellers2/sellers_dna.htm
there is a link on that page for
results and members families.
WE need a dna test on a male
SELLERS, etc from Rockingham Co., VA also.
Thanks for helping. marie, iowa
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OCT 2004
-----Original
Message-----
> From: Richard Zeller [mailto:RichardZeller@myfamily.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 1:57 AM
> To: marie sellers hollinger
> Subject: RE: DNA test/ZELLERS/LANCASTER CO, PA/DARKE CO, OH
>
>
> DearMarie, I just got back the dna results and I do not know how to
utilize
> them. I made 1 "connect' [ with a GENETIC DISTANCE-1
] to
> EDSELLERS1@COX.NET.
IS THIS PERSON WITH THE SELLERS DNA GROUP? THANKS
> ,RICHARD
=
> RICHARD, thank you. I believe we may have other SELLERS, etc interested in
> this result.
>
> As Edgar Sellers family =
> 14465 = edsellers@aol.com
= edsellers1@cox.net
(sept 2004)=
>
> Edgar R. Sellers Jr. (self) 1936 TX
> Edgar R. Sellers Sr. (father) 1895 OK-1942 TX
> Jonas Lafayette Sellers (grandfather) 1853 TN-1944 TX
> James M. Sellers (g-grandfather) 1827 TN- 1866?TN
> James Sellers (gg-grandfather) 1806NC?- 1843 TN
> John Sellers (ggg-grandfather) abt 1786 - ???? (Not Proven)
>
> AND your family =
> 23792 = thanksforsharing@msn.com =
> Richard Zeller
>
ggg Grandfather Jacob Zeller [ also Zoller ] was born April 18
> 1777 in Pennsylvania died 1848 in Brecknock Township, Lancaster Co., PA
> His widow Anna Maria Shupp born in Brecknock Township April 13, 1777 and
> daughter of George Adam Shupp and Anna Maria Keiffer Shupp, moved to Darke
> Co., OH [ AGE 78] with her son George and his family
> ==========
> I believe in one place it suggests the 25 marker test.
> and this info =
> The Graph: In each case a common ancestor is shared between two
individuals.
> In the case of 12/12 (a perfect match) the common ancestor is considerably
> more
> recent. For that reason, many people who share a surname will share a
> perfect
> match. Many surnames are much older than a few hundred years and two
> people may share a surname but only match 11/12 or even 10/12. In these
> cases, as the graph shows, the MLE of when their MRCA lived could be much
> further back in time. Translation: you are related but probably much more
> distantly.
> ===
> Others my be able to explain better.
> Complete chart =
> http://showcase.netins.net/web/sellers2/sellers_dna_results.htm
>
> marie, iowa
>
>==
From: Ed Sellers
[mailto:edsellers1@cox.net]
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 10:48 PM
To: SELLERS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [SELLERS] RE: DNA test/ZELLERS/LANCASTER CO, PA/DARKE CO,
OH/ONE MARKER DIFF
Hi Richard, I'm glad to hear that we are that closely related. I have not
visited the Rootsweb DNA site in a while, but i will check it out. I have
been disapointed that I was not more closely related to some of the other
researchers whose ancestors were in TN & NC about the same time that mine
were there. I am not surprised of the different spellings, I have found my
ancestors listed as Cellers, Sillers, Sollers,etc. in some of the past
censuses.I have been confused by finding many exact matches on
"Y-Search" in
their worldwide listings when all of these matches are with different
surnames. I'm sure that you have seen my family tree which is proven only
back to about 1806 in TN. I am pretty sure that my GGG-grandfather was John
Sellers, born about 1756-1776. but I have not proven this. I will check out
the DNA site and get back to you.
Regards,
Edgar Sellers
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Dear Marie, Thank you for taking the time to email me. Just wondering if
you have a guess if this puts my family in the Zeller/Sellers family from
Maryland? I am still pretty confused as to what it means as my family has
always been known as Zeller/Zellers except in one census where they were
identified as Sellers. Thanks again, Richard Zeller email
thanksforsharing@msn.com phone
503.285.5706
RICHARD , thanks.
This is a Very Interesting chart,
but, we do Not have enough links to this family to prove or See where it comes
from.
WE could use another test from a
Zellers OR a Sellers in the TN line.
YOUR Zellers line in Lancaster Co,
PA, born ca 1777PA? has not been proven?
There were many Zellers there and
some wills, etc.
DO you have any brothers/sisters in
Lancaster or that went to Darke Co, OH with family?
Did you send us where ANY of your
Zellers went to after Darke Co, OH?
Please do so.
I am sending a copy of this to David
Zellers = perhaps he knows Any info OR can send thro Zellers list for help?
Edgar's line (ED, confirm
this,msh) connects to
McMinnville,(McMinn) ,Tn which we
believe connects to Jeff Co, Tn, made from Greene Co, Tn , where we have Peter
Sellers 1750, etc from VA and Sebart Sollars 1758 VA , etc from VA. And John Sellers 1768? (do we have
a better date on his age? msh)
ED, fill any gaps you can, msh.
Maybe we should Work more on these
Families?
Can't see/connect the ages, But,
remember, WE do NOT know the generation gap on the dna test!
Thanks for sharing and helping.
marie, iowa
Hi Marie, My Jacob Zeller has been proven. Jacob's widow Anna Maria Shupp b.also 1777 is buried in St.Johns Luthern Cemetery in Darke county Ohio
Marie, census of 1800, Brecknock Township, Lancaster
County next to the farm of Michael Beam was the Widow Zeller-- 1810
there was only a Jacob Sellers there, --1820 there was only a Jacob Sellor
there-- 1830 Jacob Zeller was farming the farm next to the the Beams,-- Jacob
died on the farm and was buried at the St. Johns Luthern Church Cemetery in/at
East Earl, Lancaster,County PA. I posted an abstract of his will on
ZFW. Jacob's widow moved with her son George Zeller [SENIOR] and his
family to Adams Township, Darke County, OHIO just after my great grandfather
George Zeller [JUNIOR] was born in Lancaster County in 1854. After they moved
there ,they were identified in the Adams Township census of 1860 as George
Sellers. Adam Zeller of Germantown, Ohio purchased in 1810, the 180 acres that
they [ my ggg grandmother and my gg grandparents ] lived on a mile from
Bradford, Ohio. From: marie sellers hollinger in
early PA. Luthern church records my family was Zoller with
umlaut.
Jacob's birthplace was PA. He was in Brecknock Township, Lancaster
County,PA. by the late 1790's. I have just received new info on Zeller
families in early western Ohio history, and my impression is that my
Zeller line has connections to both the Muddy Creek and the Fort Zeller
families. thanks, Richard Zeller
RICHARD, thanks.
Is Jacob Zeller 1777 proven to one
of the Zellers' families in Lancaster or
PA?
We have a John Sellers ca 1768 in
Jeff Co., Tn closely related, but Not
Proven to our Sellers in McMinn
Co, Tn which many are brothers connected
to Burke Co,. NC.
We have Sellers in Greene Co, Tn
from VA
We now have this chart of yours and
Edgar's with one marker diff, which
should indicate a close relation.
And I can't quite follow how!
But, we have the info!
Thanks for sharing with us.
marie, iowa
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Marie, my line in TN was in McMinn Co. & Roane Co.not McMinnville. I
wouldlove to prove the father of James Sellers b. 1806. For various reasons
Ibelieve it was John the brother of Micah or at least I think his name was
John. Edgar Sellers
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EDGAR, sorry
McMinnville is Warren Co, Tn
Yours is McMinn Co, Tn.
Marie, iowa
The possibility that I see that Edgar Sellers and Richard Zellers
are
related is this:
I have that Edgar Sellers' line goes back to Robert Sellers Sr. of Burke
County, NC. If DNA shows that Richard's line is related
and is from
Pennsylvania, perhaps Richard is a
descendant of Robert Sellers Sr.'s
brother, John Sellers, that
supposedly went back to Pennsylvania and settled
in the Philadelphia area and had a
corn mill. We know nothing about this
John Sellers other than family
history showing 3 brothers - Robert Sellers
of Burke County, NC, James Sellers
of Chatham County, NC and the missing
brother John Sellers that settled
near Philadelphia.
Georgia
Georgia L. Fletcher [chickfletcher@comcast.net]
Georgia, how do you connect my line
to Robert Sellers Sr.of Burke Co. NC?
Edgar
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Edgar, does your line go back to James Sellers and Charity of Burke
County, NC? I think this James is the son of Robert
Sellers Sr.
Georgia
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nov 2004
RICHARD ZELLER
[thanksforsharing@msn.com]
MARIE, I am 98% sure
that Philip and Dorothy Zeller were the parents of [ or at least closely connected
to] my GGG Grandfather Jacob Zeller. In the 1800 census Widow Zeller
was living on the same farm that my GGG Grandfather Jacob Zeller had ownership.
I have a copy of the original doc that states the value of the farm was 240
pounds, and that the 24 acres had a dwelling house of Log of one story by
21 feet in length by 18 feet in depth; stable and small shop.It was situated
adjoining land of Michael Beam and others. [U.S. Direct Tax 1815]. This same
farm was occupied by: 1800 census-Widow ZELLER; 1810 census- Jacob SELLOR;
1820 census- Jacob SELLER; 1830 census-Jacob SELLERS; 1840 census-
Jacob ZELLER [and] George ZELLER [my GG Grandfather]; 1850 census- Anna
Maria ZELLER [my GGG Grandmother], George and Elisabeth ZELLER. After
the birth of my Great Grandfather George A. ZELLER in 1854, the family moved
Grandmother Anna Maria at age 78 to Adams Township, Darke County, Ohio
[they were listed in the 1860 census as SELLERS]to the property that was purchased
in 1813 by Adam ZELLER [ the son of Johan George ZELLER, of Tulpehocken
Township, Berks County, PA.] who moved to Germantown, Montgomery
County, Ohio in 1805, along with his brothers Bishop Andrew Zeller and
Henry Zeller. I know that these are supposed to be two separate
families, but I am beginning to suspect that the two families are somehow
related. Adam ZELLER also purchased property in 1813 just 200 feet from the
house where I was born in Versailles [formerly known as Jacksonville] Ohio.
Darke County, Wayne Township. I thank you for reading this.
p.s. I am sure that the same Adam ZELLER also purchased properties [most always
near or next to railroad tracks] for the pioneer ZELLER families of
Starke County, Ohio.
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