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 Richard White <rw@pone.com>


           Re: SELLERS IN DEKALB CO. GA
            Fri, 28 Dec 2001 00:49:23 -0500
 

My Sellers family was married into two generations of the
Veal family in
the DeKalb County, Georgia, area.  I think my mysterious
unfindable
Alford Sellers, brother of my great grandfather Richard M.
Sellers/Sellars lived in that area.  I sure do wish that I
could find
him...  Other first names in that family, from oral history,
were
Neuranus and Cederow... possibly Cicero.   As I understand
it, they were
children of Alford.

RW



RICHARD,
thanks. What are the ages of your Alford and Richard SELLERS
and who did
they marry and go to?
1880 DEKALB CO, GA =
Census Place: Diamonds, De Kalb, Georgia
 Source: FHL Film 1254143  National Archives Film T9-0143
Page 423B
 Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace
Benj. F. VEAL Self M M W 35 GA
 Occ: Farmer Fa: VA Mo: GA
Louisanna VEAL Wife F M W 25 GA
 Occ: Keepinghouse Fa: GA Mo: GA
Allie L. VEAL Dau F S W 7 GA
   Fa: GA Mo: GA
Mary J. VEAL Dau F S W 2 GA
   Fa: GA Mo: GA
Alfred SELLERS Other M S W 18 GA
 Occ: Farm Hand Fa: GA Mo: GA
=======
THIS Alfred SELLERS born ca 1862 and would be on the 1870
census readings,
but, I don't see in DeKalb Co, GA.
OR he may be on the 1900 census and perhaps family living
with him?
ONLY RICHARD SELLERS I saw close = two counties south =

1880 HENRY CO, GA
 Census Place: District 888, Henry, Georgia
 Source: FHL Film 1254152  National Archives Film T9-0152     Page 132B
 Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace
Richard SELLERS Self M M MU 28 GA
 Occ: Laborer Fa: GA Mo: GA
Julia SELLERS Wife F M B 25 GA
 Occ: Keeping House Fa: GA Mo: GA
Henry SELLERS Son M S B 6 GA
   Fa: GA Mo: GA
Charly SELLERS Son M S B 4 GA
   Fa: GA Mo: GA

 Census Place: District 775, Henry, Georgia
 Source: FHL Film 1254152  National Archives Film T9-0152     Page 141D
 Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace
Jane SELLERS Self F W W 59 GA
 Occ: Farmer Fa: GA Mo: GA
Ellen SELLERS MotherL F W W 94 IRE
 Occ: At Home Fa: IRE Mo: IRE
Rebecca GALLMAN Other F S W 54 GA
 Occ: Farmer Fa: GA Mo: GA
=======
Send what names, dates, places you have and will link you to
the
counties/towns/states you prove to, so others can find you.
Thanks for sharing, marie , iowa


            Sat, 15 Jun 2002 14:34:53 -0400
       From:
            Richard White <rw@pone.com>
 

My great grandfather Richard M. Sellars was born in Hiawassee, Georgia,
in October 1846.  His father, Jacob Benjamin Sellers, was a Mexican
jumping bean.  He married Georgia Ann Joiner in Pulaski County, Georgia,
in 1838; and was in Dooley County, Georgia, in 1850.  Where else he was
I have no idea.  Oral history says that he abandoned his wife and ran
off with the school teacher.  Richard M. Sellars joined the Confederate
Army (11th Georgia Infantry Regiment) in Hawkinsville in 1862 at age 14.

Jacob Benjamin Sellers' sister Elizabeth married Alexander Peacock, Jr.,
in Pulaski County, Georgia in 1833.

Jacob Benjamin Sellers' daughter Elizabeth Bethany married Millard
Filmore Veal.

Jacob Benjamin Sellers' daughter Martha A. ("Matt") married Virgil Asa Veal.

The Veals were from around DeKalb County & Fulton County, I believe.

I have Jacob Benjamin Sellers down as probably being a son of a William
Sellers... along with Elizabeth & Simon, but that may be stretching any
scintilla of evidence I have beyond the breaking point.

Richard White
Tallahassee, Florida



HAWTHORNE FAMILY

FRED'S PAGE

from DON SELLERS

=
from RICHARD WHITE
>............................................... +Delilah Prevatt b: September 17, 1827 in Robeson County, N.C. d: March 22, 1870 in Climax, Georgia m: September 29, 1847 in Decatur County, Georgia
>

Of course Delilah was my 2-great grandmother Clarissa/Clarissy Prevatt
Davis's  sister.  The $64,000 question, though, is who was their mother
Elizabeth Ward (b. 4 May 1799 in Robeson Co., NC, as I have it) related
to...?  She later married a German immigrant, Frederick Ibe, in Decatur
County, Georgia, and is buried as Elizabeth Ibe at Smyrna Baptist Church
, Henry County (now Houston County) Alabama.

So far as I know, the Decatur/Grady County, Georgia, Hawthorns don't use
a final "e" on their name.

RW


jan 23, 2004

 

The item that appeared on the Sumter County list recently, about "Jac__"

and "Georgian" Sellers didn't exactly "do it"... but they set me off

again searching for the answers to the mysteries in my dad's oral

history about Richard M. Sellars' father's death in the Civil War and

"Alford Sellars" finding Richard M. and reuniting him with the surviving

members of his family many years after the war...

 

Every time I tried that before, for almost 30 years now, I just ran in

circles for awhile and gave up.

 

This time I succeeded far above my wildest expectations.  Though I must

admit that some of documentation is less than perfect in detail &

completeness, complemented with the oral history it both makes a

coherent whole and fills in blanks in places where I didn't even know

there were blanks.  I found so many facts so fast that it's going to

take me awhile to put them together coherently and tie up some

inevitable loose ends.

 

So... this e-mail is just a teaser... and for me to GLOAT. (Well... just

a *little* bit.) <G>

 

I'll put the finished product up on some web pages as soon as I can, and

will send the URLs for those pages to the list.  I have found so

incredibly many Sellers family relationships that I did not previously

know of, that it seems almost inevitable that my information will now

tie together in various directions with that of other folks on this list.

 

I will put together a few facts in here, though:

 

1.  Jacob Benjamin Sellers (sic) enrolled in Company E of the 51st

Georgia Infantry Regiment on 4 March 1862, as did his oldest son (who I

never even heard of till a couple of days ago) George W. Sellars (sic). 

J.B. most likely died immediately after that.  There is no specific

record of his death, but there is no further record of him in the 51st

Georgia and there is a sworn statement by Susan O. Sellers (wife of

Elijah Sellers, I believe), made in 1864, which said that George W.

Sellars and his mother and father were dead... and that she was

somebody's sister in law.  I cannot decipher all of the words of the

document well enough to be sure whose sister-in-law she was.  It reads

like it might mean that she was George W.'s, but I think that she would

have had to have been Jacob B.'s sister-in-law.

 

2.  THERE NEVER WAS AN "ALFORD SELLARS"... which is, of course, a pretty

good reason why I couldn't find one! <G>  Georgia Ann Joiner married

Jacob Benjamin Sellers in Pulaski County, GA, on 11 September 1838. 

Family oral history (not from my dad but from various other relatives)

says that Georgia Ann Joiner was born at Camilla while it was still in

Indian Lands.  In the 1860 census George W. Sellers is shown as living

in Camilla, Mitchell Co, in the household of ***ALFRED JOINER***!  There

is the long sought "Alford".  He wasn't a brother of R.M. Sellers.  He

was a brother (I presume) of R.M. Sellers' mother, Georgia Ann Joiner!!!

 

That's enough for now.

 

Stay tuned folks.

 

I'll be baaaack. <G>

 

Richard White

Tallahassee, FL

Jan 30, 2004

 

We know that great grandpa Richard M. Sellars' sister Martha A.

("Mattie") Sellars, widow of Virgil Asa Veal, came to live with him in

Thomas County, Georgia, for awhile with her daughter Lizzie Veal, and

they are in the 1916 Sellars family photo taken at R.M. Sellers' home. 

I just filtered through census records and in every census that I could

find him, which was only a couple of late ones... 1900 and 1910, Virgil

A. Veal & his family lived in Fulton County, Atlanta, Georgia.

 

Another sister of R.M. Sellars, Elizabeth Bethany Sellers, married

Virgil Asa Veal's brother Millard Fillmore Veal.  Millard F. Veal's

family shows up in the 1870 census at Stone Mountain District of DeKalb

County, Georgia.  The county seat of DeKalb County, the town of Decatur,

Georgia, is now a part of the greater metropolitan Atlanta area. 

HOWEVER, when I found Millard F. Veal's family again in 1900, they had

moved to the CHICKASAW NATION, OKLAHOMA, and so far as I can tell...

they stayed there.  The family was still there in 1910, which is the

last time that I could find Millard F. Veal in the census.  Some

information from a descendant on the web indicates that some of the

children of  Virgil Asa Veal also moved to OKLAHOMA, to "Wheeler, Indian

Territory".  Wheeler was in what is now Carter County, and Ardmore is

the county seat.  Ardmore is a CREEK name and I assume that Wheeler was

in the CREEK NATION.  The significance of these moves is unknown to me. 

The family is listed in the census in Oklahoma as "White".  I looked

through the Chickasaw and all other claims that were filed in what

became the Dawes Roll, though, and found no claim made either by Millard

Fillmore Veal or Elizabeth Bethany Sellers Veal... or any other Veal, or

any Sellers known to be related to us.  As I understand the situation,

once the government started trying to break up the tribal governments

and began assigning land in Oklahoma to specific individual Indians,

much of it rapidly came into the hands of White land speculators and

then to individual White small land owners.   The oil boom in Oklahoma

was a bit later, and the homesteaders' land boom was a bit earlier, but

I guess in some respects Oklahoma was a frontier area at the time and

maybe that's the only reason the Veals went there...

 

Two half first cousins of these Veal brothers, Benjamin F. and William

W. Veal each filed as "guardian" of one of the apparent total of four

Free Blacks living in DeKalb County in 1861.  Interestingly, William W.

Veal was guardian for Doc Dorsey, age 50, born in Florida.  If that age

and birth place were correct, Doc Dorsey was born in Spanish Florida

before the 1st Creek War.

 

Richard M. Sellars' oldest brother, George W. Sellars, died in the Civil

War.  That left siblings named James Lunsford, who *may* have showed up

in the 1870 census Habersham County... but I'm not sure of that;

Josephine Sellars who may have shown up in Bainbridge, Decatur County GA

in the 1870 census, but I'm not sure of that; Sabrams F. Sellers who may

show up as Ann Sellers, a sister of "Georgian" Pollock wife of John

Pollock in GMD 1194 in Mitchell County, Georgia... and Charles M.

Sellers, of whom I have found as yet no hint of a trace.

 

It is my best guess at this point, that "Georgian" Sellers Pollock was a

previously unknown daughter of Jacob Benjamin and Georgia Ann Joiner

Sellers (I have seen Georgia Ann Joiner Sellers' name written as

"Georgian"), who was born after the 1860 census.  The 1900 census shows

her birth date as August of 1861!!!

 

P.S.  A note on the name "Sabrams".  I believe that the name was

probably actually Sabre Ann... a name that I have seen here and there in

that time period though I have no idea of its derivation or

significance.  Therefore for "Sabrams" to show up as "Ann" seems

reasonable to me.

 

Richard White

Tallahassee, FL

=========

feb 2004

 

I note that in the Willie Pearl Ellis' Page there is some undated

misinformation *from me* about John Thomas Ross and my great grandfather

Richard M. Sellars' daughter Georgia Ann Sellars' family.

 

Since that time (whenever it was) I have this information:

 

Descendants of Georgia Ann Sellars

                              

    1      Georgia Ann Sellars        b: 14 November 1878            d:

10 July 1964  

.        +John Thomas Ross        b: 10 March 1878            d: 29

August 1948  

........    2      Iris Olene Ross    aka: Ms. Olene Ross               

d: 13 January 2003 in Cairo, Grady County, Georgia    Burial: 16 January

2003 in Tallahassee Memory Gardens, Leon County, Florida

............        +? Palmer                       

...................    3      James Palmer                      

...................    3      Joy Palmer                      

.......................        +? Harvey                      

........    2      Alvin Ross                      

........    2      Cecil Ross                      

...................    3      Ann Ross                      

........    2      Clyde Ross        

 

..............................................................................

 

Iris O. Palmer - Obituary

 

Iris O. Palmer Iris O. Palmer, 91, a retired nurse, died Monday, Jan.

13, 2003, in Cairo, Ga. The service will be at 1 p.m. EST Thursday at

Abbey Funeral Home in Tallahassee (562-1518), with burial at Tallahassee

Memory Gardens. Family will receive friends from 6 to 8 p.m. EST today

at the funeral home. Survivors include a son, James "Jim" Palmer; a

daughter, Joy Harvey; three grandchildren; and five great-grandchildren.

Published in the Tallahassee Democrat on 1/15/2003.

 

...............................................................................

 

I actually met Olene once at the Howard Johnson's Restaurant in

Tallahassee.  I was eating there with my dad and she was eating at the

next table.  She saw dad and introduced herself...  and said that she

went to school with him.  Apparently both had forgotten that they were

related.  With my dad that was pretty common.  If I had left it up to

him my family tree would be blank, as he often claimed that he had no

relatives... <G>  Well, actually, that was no relatives named White...

but dad was very, very wrong about that too.

 

Also, I don't think I have commented on this before but the listings of

Missouri L. Sellars in the page about the Thomas County census for 1900

are all messed up, and apparently the problem was with the census, not

with the web page... but still it needs "straightening out".

 

Richard M. Sellars married Missouri Lester West in 1898 and apparently,

from that census's indications, she was still keeping a separate

household in 1900.  She had previously been married to Levi Harper, who

I understand to have been deceased, and so far as I can see in the

census record her children by Levi Harper were still living with her in

the separate household and great grandpa's children by Mary Ann Haven

were living at his house.  That is to say... there is some question on

the web page about Elizabeth being listed as a Sellars... but all

indications that I have seen show her clearly as Levi Harper's child. 

Levi was also Levi Harper's child... and I'm not sure who the "Allie" in

Missouri's household in the census was... but... Richard M. Sellars had

no children by Missouri West Harper Sellars that I know of.  I have seen

some allegations on a genealogy bulletin board that they had a child

before they married... but if that is so I never heard it personally

from anyone.  They were still keeping separate households two years

after they married... and it got worse, much worse.  In 1912 Richard

Sellars announced to the congregation of his church (the Long Branch

Baptist Church) that they had separated... but in 1918 Missouri came

storming back into the church and when great grandpa wouldn't agree with

the church to take her back... they kicked him out of the church

membership.  I have seen those records.  I have not seen records of the

following... but I also understand that she came to his house once after

they were legally divorced, demanding money... and that he used a horse

bridle (?) as a whip to chase her off... an action for which he was

arrested and may have been jailed  So... that is my explanation of why

Missouri L. Sellers appeared twice in the 1900 census.  She and her

husband were maintaining two separate households...

 

There is a rather a nice photo of Richard M. and Missouri on my web page

at: http://pone.com/ts/rw003.htm

 

Richard White

Tallahassee, Florida

 

 

 

 

 

====

april 2005

I notice that on pages 68a and 68b of the 1850 census for Baker County,
GA, William "Cellers" appears in the household of his son-in-law
Alexander Peacock and daughter (my 2-great grandfather Jacob Benjamin
Sellers' sister), Elizabeth Sellers Peacock (this has been noted on this
list before) and that Wright Sellers appears on the previous page (67b).

Based on their children's birthplaces in Thomas County (as shown in this
census record), both the Peacocks and Wright Sellers had lived in Thomas
County for quite awhile.

I know that this is not proof per se, but it sure looks to me like
Wright is another sibling of Jacob Benjamin & Elizabeth.

Someone has also previously suggested that Everett Sellers, who appears
on page 68b is another sibling... Among Everett's children are a Simon
and an Elijah. Jacob Benjamin and Elizabeth are supposed to have had a
brother named Simon who may not have survived childhood, as I haven't
found record of him anywhere.

Based on what I can read of Susan Sellers' affidavit in her claim for
the Confederate Army (Co E 51st Georgia Infantry Regiment) back pay of
George W. Sellers after he died, I believe that she was Elijah Sellers'
wife and that he was another sibling. Elijah and Susan appear on page
62b of the 1850 census for Baker Co., GA. and in the 1860 census they
also appeared in Camilla, Mitchell Co., GA (page 639). Elijah and Susan
have a son named William, who, if Elijah was in fact a sibling of Jacob
Benjamin and Elizabeth, would have been named after his grandfather
William Sellers.

In 1860 Jacob Benjamin Sellers and Georgia Ann Joiner Sellers' oldest
son George W. Sellers is living in the household of Alfred Joiner in
Camilla, Mitchell County (page 668) and Wright Sellers is shown on page
642 , also in Camilla, Mitchell Co., GA.

Between 1850 and 1860 (in 1857 to be exact) Mitchell Co. was cut out of
Baker Co.

In 1860 the Alex Peacock family is back in Thomas County.

Alexander Peacock and Elizabeth Sellers and Jacob Benjamin Sellers and
Georgia Ann Joiner were married in Pulaski Co. in 1833 and 1838
respectively.

The census shows all of these folks who I suggest to have been siblings,
to have been born in NC as was their father William Sellers... except
Everett who is shown as having been born in SC. Since he is the
youngest of all these apparent siblings, perhaps he was born after the
family headed south from North Carolina and before they got to Georgia...

At this point, I am tentatively considering Simon (no birth date known
to me), Jacob Benjamin (b. circa 1805), Elijah (b. circa 1812), Wright
(b. circa 1813), Elizabeth (b. circa 1817), and Everett (b. circa 1824)
all to have been children of William (b. circa 1774 in Mecklenburg Co.,
NC) and (?). I believe that the Richard Sellers (b. in NC in 1788) who
was an early settler of Sumter (later Schley) Co., GA, was a sibling of
William Sellers.

I'm by no means suggesting that any of this is "proven". I consider it
to be more or less a "working theory". Can anybody knock any of these
out of contention... or provide any corroborating information... name
any other possible or definite siblings... or add anything else?

Richard White
Tallahassee, Florida
Richard White [rw@pone.com]

================
april 2005

RICHARD,
thanks, all info/documents/ideas help.

WE do Not have the GA civil war files for GEORGE W.SELLERS
please send the file/pension # , etc.
He should show up on index, but, need your info to find.
Thanks,
marie, iowa
==================
MAY 29, 2005

http://pone.com/ts/rw063.htm

George W. Sellars and Memorial Day
George W. Sellars was the oldest brother of Richard White's great grandfather, Richard M. Sellars. He appears in the 1860 census in the household of his mother's cousin Alfred Joiner, in her home town of Camilla, Mitchell County, Georgia. But along with his father Jacob Benjamin Sellers (sic), George W. Sellars was enrolled as a private in Company E (Ponchitla Guards) of the 51st Georgia Infantry Regiment on 4 March 1862. Company E was raised in Terrell County, Georgia. Except for the three oldest children: George W. Sellars (then in Mitchell County), James Lunsford Sellars (who I cannot find... he may have died) and Sabra Ann Sellers (who was living with Sabra Joiner in the household of Linsey Garret in Dooley County), the family appeared in the 811th Georgia Military District of Terrell County in the 1860 U.S. Census.


From March through June of 1862 the 51st Georgia Infantry Regiment was encamped in Georgia, then South Carolina. It participated in the defense of Savannah and Charleston and was present at the Battle of Secessionville on James Island near Charleston, South Carolina, on 16 June 1862, where it defended against the Union's first, unsuccessful, attempt to take that city, however the 51st Georgia Infantry did not actually come under fire in that battle.


On 17 July 1862 Thomas Fenwick Drayton was ordered to form a new brigade which included the 51st Georgia Infantry Regiment:

============================

It looks like the Duncan Graham and wife, Mary, are from Pike County,
Alabama but they don't have a daughter named Sarah Helen. I thought they
were possibly the in-laws of James L. Sellers.

Georgia

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard White" <rw@pone.com>
To: <SELLERS-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 3:18 AM
Subject: Re: [SELLERS] James Lunsford Sellers of Georgia (and maybe Alabama
& Texas <G>)


>
> The man's name is right.
>
> His age is right.
>
> His birthplace is right.
>
> His father & mother's birthplaces are right.
>
> His oldest son's name is O.K.-ish...
>
> so...
>
> Looks good.
>
> Can't say for sure...
>
> One thing that might clinch it is if Sabra Ann Sellars showed up in his
> vicinity.
>
> In 1860 it looks like she might have been in training as a midwife with
> Sabra Joiner...
>
> The only place I have found her, or someone who might be her, is acquiring
> federal land in Montgomery Co., AL in 1892.
>
> So... it looks like she may have drifted towards Alabama, but she could
> also have changed last names along the way.
>
> This lead is about as good as they get short of perfect, so I'll have to
> see if I can find anything else in that direction.
>
> I couldn't find James Lunsford in a Confederate unit either... but I was
> looking in Georgia.
>
> There was a J. L. Sellers in Co B 23rd Alabama Infantry Regiment which was
> raised in Macon Co., AL.
>
> Bullock, Macon, Montgomery... they're all in the right area for another
> incremental westward move by this family.
>
> I'll look into it.
>
> I wouldn't want to run out of things to keep myself busy... an' this looks
> like a good 'un! <G>
>
> THANKS
>
> RW
>
> Georgia L. Fletcher wrote:
>
>>Is this your James Lunsford Sellers, son of Jacob Benjamin Sellers and
>>Georgia Ann Joiner of Georgia?
>>
>>1870 Bullock County, Alabama
>>Arborbitae Post Office
>>enumerated 12 August 1870
>>Scotland Beat #4
>>Page 78A
>>James Sellers, 29, M, W, farmer, GA
>>Hellen Sellers, 27, F, W, keeping house, AL
>>Jacob Sellers, 9/12, M, W, AL
>>Duncan Graham, 67, M, W, farmer, NC
>>Mary Graham, 62, F, W, keeping house, NC
>>
>>1880 Limestone County, Texas
>>James L. Sellers, W, M, 40, farmer, GA, NC, GA
>>Sarah H. Sellers, W, F, 36, wife, AL, NC, NC
>>Jacob H. Sellers, W, M, 10, AL, GA, AL
>>Elither G. Sellers, W, M, 8, AL, GA, AL
>>Stephen E. Sellers, W, M, 5, AR, GA, AL
>>Ines V. Sellers, W, F, 3, AL, GA, AL
>>Blanch Sellers, a twin, W, F, 10/12, TX, GA, AL
>>Lucinda Sellers, a twin, W, F, 10/12, TX, GA, AL
>>
>>I'm not finding him in 1900.
>>
>>Georgia
==

june 2005

I still don't have any information about Delmar Peacock's connection, if
any (which is the question that recently caused me to again take up a
search for Elizabeth Sellers' descendants), but this information about
the children of Alexander Peacock, Jr. and Elizabeth Sellers just came
to me from Martha Rainey:

James A. Peacock b. 1831, d. July 10, 1862 (he was in Co. K of the Ga
29th Regiment)
Allen M. Peacock b. 1834, d. Nov 15, 1863 in Atlanta (he was in Co. H/I
of the Ga 29th)
Esther Peacock b. 1836, d. Sept 24, 1871 married Alexander Wright
William Peacock b. 1838 (he was also in Co. H/I of the Ga 29th)
Alexander Peacock, III b. 1842 (also in 29th)
Evans Jarvis Peacock b. 1844, d. Dec 4, 1862 in Savannah ( also in Co.
H/I of the 29th)
Henry M. Peacock b. 1846, d. 1889 (also in the 29th) married Mary J.
Lewis (according to the 1880 census, they were in Houston TX)
Nancy Peacock b. 1849
Mary Peacock b. 1850
Isaac Monroe Peacock b. 1855, d. 1889 in TX

Like I recently found with Elizabeth's brother, my 2-great grandfather
Jacob Benjamin Sellers' family, the birth date given here for their
oldest child predates their marriage by several years. My best guess is
that comes from inaccuracy inherent in estimating birth dates from
censuses, but it could, I suppose, also open up a possibility of earlier
marriages for either or both of them.

Alexander Peacock, Jr. and Elizabeth Sellers married in Pulaski County,
Georgia, in 1833. So far as I know they eventually found their way to
Thomas County, Georgia. I don't know the details yet but will be
looking into them, now that I have an idea of where to look and who (as
to children) to look for.

Richard White
Tallahassee, Florida
Richard White [rw@pone.com]

=========

JUNE 2005
Georgia L. Fletcher wrote:

> Nancy Peacock, 79, F, W, Mecklenburg County, NC

I assume that this is probably Alexander Peacock, Jr.'s mother.

> William Cellers, 76, M, W, Mecklenburg County, NC

This would be Jacob Benjamin Sellers and Elizabeth Sellers Peacock's father.

So... my 3-great grandfather William Sellars was in Thomas County,
Georgia, as early as 1850, and I hadn't a clue of that. But this does
give me more reason to believe that Wright Sellars was Jacob Benjamin &
Elizabeth's brother...

I've been busy putting Peacocks on my Confederate Kin web pages:
http://pone.com/ts/rw000.htm

RW

=========

june 20, 2005

http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/JWGBAEB/1253.1.2

Message Board Post:

I've been looking (off and on) for 30 years or more for some relatives of my father that he told me about as a child (some 20 years or so before that). If I correctly recall and understand what he told me, he thought that the father was named "Alford" Sellers and that his sons were named "Cederow" and "Neuranus". Dad had no idea how to spell either name and besides that dad wasn't all that great at either spelling or pronunciation in general. The middle name you give "Cedora" might be the "Cederow" I've been looking for.

I'm not sure whose son "Alford" was. Going by what dad told me he would have been a son of Jacob Benjamin Sellers and Georgia Ann Joiner as was my great grandfather Richard M. Sellars... but dad was not certain that "Alford" was my great grandfather Richard M. Sellars' brother... only that they were closely related. Jacob Benjamin & Georgia Ann both died in 1862 which was PROBABLY the year Alford was born. HOWEVER, I suspect it to be far more likely that "Alford" was a son of their oldest son George W. Sellars who died 13 December 1863. He was probably born in Calhoun, Schley or Mitchell County, Georgia, but the ONLY place he has been found in census records (thanks to help from folks on this list) was in the household of Benjamin Franklin Veal in DeKalb County, Georgia, in the 1880 census. I know of several relationships between these Sellers and the Veal families, none directly with Benjamin Franklin Veal, but with his close relatives... so I know that this is the *ri!
ght* "Alford" Sellers... and besides that he's the only one by that name ("Alford", which may actually be "Alfred") who has ever been found.

Many members of this Veal family moved to Indian Territory (now Oklahoma) before 1900. Perhaps "Alford" Sellers went with them...?

Other names I have connected to "Cederow" and "Neuranus" are "Joe" Sellars and "Carrie" Sellars... but I'm not quite sure where I got those names.

I hope that SOMETHING (anything) that I've written above connects to something that you know about Allen Cedora Sellers.

For more information about Jacob Benjamin, George W., and Richard M. Sellers, see:

http://pone.com/ts/rw063.htm

http://pone.com/ts/rw062.htm

and

http://pone.com/ts/rw003.htm

Richard White
Tallahassee, Florida

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june 2005


I also heard separately from John A. Sellers on this. Just some more of
my random, rambling, thoughts and notes follow... I thought it possible
that the "Cederow" I'm looking for might be named after an common
ancestor or relative of him and Allen Cedora Sellers further back.
However, I found the following in my notes on him:

> The name may have been "Cicero". Dad said he had no name until he was
> grown, and then he named himself.
>
> He was a railroad man in Atlanta.
>
> RW
> 26 March 1997


I did find a trolley car operator in Atlanta named Cicero Sellers, but
he was born in SC and I just don't think he's my man. The reason I said
that "Cedero" might have actually been Cicero is quite easy. I learned
to read before I started school, mostly from having my father read
comics to me. At that age my favorite comics were Bugs Bunny & Porky
Pig... and dad always always pronounced the name of Porky's (son?)
Cicero, as "Cederow". <G> It's a miracle I didn't get thrown out of
first grade after dad taught me to read that-a-way... <G>

I've been looking for "Cederow" and "Neuranus" in census records again.
I don't think I found "Cederow" but I did find "Neuranus". I always
figured that his name had to be Uranus, and sure 'nuff Uranus M. Sellers
shows up as a railroad flagman in Anniston, Alabama, in 1910 and as U.
M. Sellers he shows up as a railroad conductor, also in Anniston, in
1920. In the 1920 census he had a 5 year old son named U.M. Sellers,
Jr. Born about 1915, there's an outside chance that U.M. Sellers, Jr.
is still alive.

Dad said that both of these guys worked on the railroad around Atlanta,
and in 1973 dad told me that "one Sellars now in Atlanta works in the
G.M. Assembly Plant"... but he didn't know who that was. Anniston is a
bit out of Atlanta, but not so far, I guess, for a railroad man. I take
it though, that these Sellers must have grown up in DeKalb County in
connection with their female relations who had married Veals. But the
only one I know of being there for sure so far is "Alford" who I assume
to have been their father. There is some posibility that, if "Cederow"
really did name himself after he was grown, that he took a name from
family history as told to him by relatives. I have noted that John A.
Sellers spelled the name "Cedorda" and that Melanie Brickham spelled it
"Sidora"... so I'm not the only one around here who has to deal with
"spelling issues" <G> I don't know if that name, however its spelled,
is what I'm looking for... or if I'm really looking for Cicero... but I
did note an Allen C. Sellers in the censuses in Georgia or Alabama (I
don't remember which, now). At the time I didn't pay much attention to
him, so I may go back and take another look just on an off chance that
he's another Allen Cedora Sellers...

Tha... tha... that's all folks!

RW

Terri Leinneweber wrote:

> At 05:09 PM 6/21/2005, you wrote:
>
>
> Descendants of Allen D. Sellers
>
>
>
> 1 Allen D. Sellers 1819 -
> .. +Eliza Ann Unknown
> ........ 2 William F. Sellers 1845 -
> ........ 2 Allen Sedora Sellers 1847 - 1918
> ............ +Elizabeth Perlina Banta 1846 - 1935
> ........ 2 John R Sellers 1850 -
> ............ +Eliza J. Unknown 1852 -
> ........ 2 Mary E. Sellers 1851 -
> ........ 2 James E. Sellers 1853 -
> ........ 2 Felix Sellers 1857 -
> ........ 2 Margaret Sellers 1860 -
> ........ 2 Jeff Davidson Sellers 1863 -
> ............ +Verbeline Holybee 1866 -
>
>
>
>> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list.
>>
>> Surnames: Sellers Sellars Veal Joiner
>> Classification: Query
>>
>> I've been looking (off and on) for 30 years or more for some
>> relatives of my father that he told me about as a child (some 20
>> years or so before that). If I correctly recall and understand what
>> he told me, he thought that the father was named "Alford" Sellers and
>> that his sons were named "Cederow" and "Neuranus". Dad had no idea
>> how to spell either name and besides that dad wasn't all that great
>> at either spelling or pronunciation in general. The middle name you
>> give "Cedora" might be the "Cederow" I've been looking for.
>

=

1930 CALHOUN CO, AL
Uranus M Sellers Anniston, Calhoun, AL abt 1884 Georgia Head
Florence L Sellers Anniston, Calhoun, AL abt 1892 Wife
Mary M Sellers Anniston, Calhoun, AL abt 1910 Daughter
Urana M Sellers Anniston, Calhoun, AL abt 1915 Son
===========
Uranus M Sellers, Sr Death: 09 Jan 1957 - Etowah , AL
=
didn't see 1900?
an obit might show where born.
marie, iowa

= ==

 

==

Richard Ceadarroe Sellars Birth: Feb 20 1892 20 Feb 1892
Birth: Georgia
Residence: Atlanta, Fulton, Georgia
Other: Atlanta City
Source: Military - World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918

Richard C. Sellars Birth: 15 Apr 1916
Death: 3 Dec 1980
Other: Georgia
Source: Birth, Marriage, & Death - Social Security Death Index

Richard C Sellars Birth: abt 1892
Death: 02 Aug 1972 - Fulton
Residence: Fulton
Source: Birth, Marriage, & Death - Georgia Deaths, 1919-98

Richard C Sellars Birth: abt 1916
Death: 03 Dec 1980 - Fulton
Residence: Fulton
Other: 08 Dec 1980
Source: Birth, Marriage, & Death - Georgia Deaths, 1919-98

Richard C Sellars Birth: abt 1892 - Georgia
Residence: 1920 - Atlanta, Fulton, Georgia
Source: Census - 1920 United States Federal Census

Richard Sellars Birth: abt 1864 - Georgia
Residence: 1910 - Walkers, Montgomery, Alabama
Source: Census - 1910 United States Federal Census

Richard Sellars Birth: 1831
Residence: 1850 - GA, Not Stated, Marion, Georgia
Source: Census - 1850 Slave Schedules

Richard Sellars Residence: 1850 - GA, Not Stated, Marion, Georgia

==========

JUNE 2005

My father had a first cousin called Boss Sellars, but that was a
nickname. His real name was Elbert Greenberry Sellars. Dad seemed to
consider Boss to be a butt of all jokes and mishaps. He told one story
a couple of times about Boss being at the back of a wagon load of kids
and flying off into the water when the wagon hit a bump while fording a
creek near great grandpa R.M. Sellars' house. Dad thought that was
hilarious... but then dad also thought that somebody getting really beat
up on "Championship Wrestling"... aka "rasslin'" was also hilarious... <G>

RW

g.winters wrote:

> the parents did name one of the boys 'Boss' This one did bring a smile for me.
>
>

===============


I didn't find him, James Richard Sellers did... but I think that this is
the "Cederow" Sellers that I've been looking for.

He shows up in Ancestry.com's WWI draft registration index as Richard
Ceadarroe Sellars in Atlanta, GA.

So... his first name is actually Richard, and he probably shows up as
Richard in many records.

Can someone come up with his birth date, birth place, and occupation
(and/or any other details), from the draft registration card?

Thanks

Richard White
Tallahassee, Florida

=======

RICHARD, info on draft card =
born Feb 20, 1892, Chapel Hill, GA (Dekalb Co, Ga, msh/also one in Douglas Co, Ga)

Car Repairer? for Southern Railway Co.
lives in Atlanta, Fulton Co., Ga
wife and two children
he is tall, slender, lt blue eyes, lt brn hair.
he was 25 yrs old.
I can't see day signed, but, it would be about 1917, msh.

1920 FULTON CO, GA
RICHARD C. SELLARS 28 GA, BOTH PARENTS GA, CARPENTER for ?
(didn't look like Railway, but, could be a R/B)
ELEANOR 28 GA
ALFORD 6 GA
RICHARD C. F.? 3 ? 9/12 GA

there is a RICHARD C. SELLERS/SELLARS died AUG 2, 1972, FULTON CO, GA, BORN
2-20-1892

will try and look at 1900 and 1910 possibilities.
marie, iowa

====

this looks good, need to find marriage., marie, iowa
1900 DOUGLAS CO, MIDDLE, DIST 25

Mary L Sellars Middle, Douglas, Georgia abt 1848 Georgia White Head
Joseph A Sellars Middle, Douglas, Georgia abt 1888 Georgia White Son
Carrie C Sellars Middle, Douglas, Georgia abt 1889 Georgia White Daughter
Ceslaus Sellars Middle, Douglas, Georgia abt 1892 Georgia White Son , FEB
1892

=

My father had a first cousin called Boss Sellars, but that was a
nickname. His real name was Elbert Greenberry Sellars. Dad seemed to
consider Boss to be a butt of all jokes and mishaps. He told one story
a couple of times about Boss being at the back of a wagon load of kids
and flying off into the water when the wagon hit a bump while fording a
creek near great grandpa R.M. Sellars' house. Dad thought that was
hilarious... but then dad also thought that somebody getting really beat
up on "Championship Wrestling"... aka "rasslin'" was also hilarious... <G>

RW

g.winters wrote:

> the parents did name one of the boys 'Boss' This one did bring a smile for me.
>
>

==

JUNE 2005


O.K. There are the names Joe & Carrie I also had written down as
children of "Alford" (possibly from based on information from my
father's sister)... and on down the line Ceadarroe has a child linking
back to the "Alford" name... the elder "Alford" and Uranus are not there
in 1900... hummmm... It also looks like maybe "Ceadarroe" didn't like
his original name and altered it... thus dad's statement that he "named
himself"... <G>

Dad said that "Alford" was an itinerant stove repairman who "found"
great grandpa R.M. Sellars all the way down in Thomas County... so that
might or might not have bearing on him not being listed in the 1900 census.

RW

marie sellers hollinger wrote:

>this looks good, need to find marriage., marie, iowa
>1900 DOUGLAS CO, MIDDLE, DIST 25
>
>Mary L Sellars Middle, Douglas, Georgia abt 1848 Georgia White Head
>Joseph A Sellars Middle, Douglas, Georgia abt 1888 Georgia White Son
>Carrie C Sellars Middle, Douglas, Georgia abt 1889 Georgia White Daughter
>Ceslaus Sellars Middle, Douglas, Georgia abt 1892 Georgia White Son , FEB
>1892
>
>

=

1910 FULTON CO, GA

Mary L Sellers 2-Wd Atlanta, Fulton, GA abt 1850 Georgia White Female , wd,
6/5, both parents GA
RICHARD S. 18 GA, SON, both parents GA (ca 1892)
=
NEED MARRIAGES
and where's the other kids?
And this gal is old enough to have kids before JOSEPH SELLERS 1888!
marie, iowa

========

JUNE 2005

RICHARD,
send me/us some Names with Dates and Places.
it kinda helps if we can link them to a county/state in a certain year.

WHO is your Father = Name, born when/where=
married when/where
kids names and ages and married whom and went where =

WHO is your Granddad SELLERS = age, name, born when/where
and Grandma = name, age, born, when/where
and names of any of their children , who any of them married and went.

OTHERWISE, we don't know if are following your family OR someone else.

I will send any info we have on SELLERS and it should trace/link back to
your family and relation.

PLEASE SEND ABOVE.
I have to SEE families to follow and prove info in those counties, etc.

YOUR DAD as obits, etc from his family?
read/send info.
and Thank you for sharing SELLERS.
marie, iowa

=

JUNE 2005

marie sellers hollinger wrote:

>RICHARD,
>send me/us some Names with Dates and Places.
>it kinda helps if we can link them to a county/state in a certain year.
>
>
That's just it. I don't have dates & places, I've never had them, and
I'm just scrabbling around looking for them... same as I've been doing
for the past 30 years or more... with one big difference. I have found
the center of the family as of 1862 (Terrell County, Georgia), but have
also found out that as a family it was also anhilated in 1862....
scattered to the winds. All I've ever really had is names, from rather
vague oral history... just enough to piece what I have now pieced
together, together.

>WHO is your Father = Name, born when/where=
>
>
Herman Esker White - born 11 Apr 1911 Cairo, Grady County, GA (His name
was a total fluke. He was named from a book by a distant relative who
was taking care of his mother because she had typhoid when or just after
he was born, and he was expected to die. He was severely lactose
intolerant and could not drink cow's milk... but somehow that was
recognized and dealt with, and he was fed as an infant only with "sugar
water". Dad fooled them all... outlived both of his brothers by many
years, and died at age 91.

>married when/where
>
>
Bronson, Levy County, Florida, 18 Oct 1942 - another total fluke. So
far as I know neither of my parents was ever there before or again. Dad
had been drafted and took a weekend pass from Camp Blanding, Starke,
Bradford County, Florida. Mom (I'm leaving her name out on purpose)
rode to Gainesville, Alachula County, Florida, with some friends. They
met in Gainesville (he probably took a bus from camp... either that or a
taxi)... and they rode in a taxi to Bronson. Starke is near the East
Coast of Florida. Bronson is near the West Coast. My guess is that
Bronson was a "marriage friendly" destination for servicemen wanting to
get married on a weekend.

>kids names and ages and married whom and went where =
>
>
I'm going to leave that one out...

>WHO is your Granddad SELLERS = age, name, born when/where
>and Grandma = name, age, born, when/where
>and names of any of their children , who any of them married and went.
>
>
I don't have a granddad SELLERS and never did. My grandmother was
Martha Bama Sellars, who married Charles Henry White, at the residence
of R.M. Sellars, Cairo, THOMAS COUNTY, on 19 Jan 1902 (Grady County was
cut out of Decatur & Thomas effective 1 Jan 1906 and at that time R. M.
Sellars' home went into Grady County).

My great grandfather was Richard M. Sellars, born probably in Towns
District, Calhoun County, Georgia, 7 Oct 1846 (or 1847). His disability
discharge from Company B of the 11th Georgia Infantry Regiment, in
August of 1862, stated that he was born in Hiawassee, Towns County,
Georgia... but I think that was an error resulting from a verbal
misunderstanding based on him saying he was born in "Towns". The family
was in Sumter County (now Schley) near Ellaville, in 1847, where his
parents Jacob Benjamin Sellers and Georgia Ann Joiner were received into
the congregation and dismissed from it by letter, at the Ebenezer
Baptist Church, and in no case after that have I found the family
anywhere but in a cluster of counties running to the west from Sumter
County... including Calhoun. J. B. and G. A. were married in Pulaski
County, Georgia, on 11 Sep 1838... and R. M. Sellars' Confederate
disability discharge states that he was enrolled at Hawkinsville,
Pulaski County.

>OTHERWISE, we don't know if are following your family OR someone else.
>
>
No we don't... including me. Apparently after Alford reunited my great
grandfather with some of his family they kept up with each other for
awhile. It appears, for instance, that Richard Ceadarroe Sellars was
PROBABLY named after my great grandfather. Since "Alford" was
apparently DEAD before 1900, that "reuniting" must have happened before
1900. I already knew that it was before 1916 because I have a 1916
family photo that includes great grandpa's sister Martha A. ("Matt")
Veal, widow of Virgil Asa Veal, Sr., of DeKalb County, Georgia, and her
daughter Lizzie Veal. Dad's oral history said that Alford brought her
back into awareness of R.M.'s whereabouts... Since Richard Ceadarroe
Sellars was born about 1892, I can now say that the "reuniting" might
have dated to before 1892.

I don't know how or why (or even exactly when) R.M. Sellars arrived in
Thomas County. The company he was enrolled in, of the 11th Georgia, was
raised in Lee County... and apparently (as a 14 or 15 year old disabled
veteran orphan) somebody back in Lee County took him in. He is shown as
residing there in the Georgia Confederate militia roll of 1864. As we
just went through a week or so, however, R.M.'s GRANDFATHER William
Sellers lived in Thomas County, as did his daughter (R.M.'s aunt)
Elizabeth and her husband Alexander Peacock, Jr. (they were married in
Pulaski County, Georgia, in 1833). I also have some indication that an
Elizabeth Sellers in this same family had married Alexander Peacock,
Sr. What I DO NOT HAVE, however, is any oral history to the effect that
R, M. Sellars knew any of that, or that he went to Thomas County because
the Peacocks were there (his grandfather had apparently died in Thomas
County about 1850)... Great grandpa presented somewhat of an image as
an orphan-boy all of his life, and I have remarked serveral incidents
where he showed favor to other orphans... particularly my grandfather
Charles Henry White.

>I will send any info we have on SELLERS and it should trace/link back to
>your family and relation.
>
>
Most of the basics of what you have on my Sellars line was provided
years ago... by me. <G> But there were a good number of open questions
in that basic information, and slowly, in conjunction with a lot of good
help from folks on this list, I've been buttoning up those open questions.

The gist of the remaining open questions (that I know of) is... were
"Neuranus" and "Cederow" brothers as my dad told me that they were...
AND who were Alford Sellars, Sr.'s parents. Dad believed that Alford
was "probably" a brother of Richard M. Sellars, but I have a VERY strong
suspicion that he was actually a son of Richard M. Sellars' older
brother, George W. Sellars, who with their father enrolled in the 51st
Georgia Infantry Regiment in 1862. (However, to date I have found no
indication that George W. Sellars married.) Jacob Benjamin Sellers was
approximately 57 years old in 1862, and he apparently died within a
matter of days after he joined the 51st Georgia. George W. Sellars was
wounded at Funkstown, MD, in a rearguard action during the retreat from
Gettysburg, and he died in a Confederate hospital in Kingston, Georgia,
in December of 1863. A mostly illegible document claiming money due to
George W. Sellars on behalf of Susan O. Sellars, who said she was
SOMEBODY's sister-in-law, states that his mother (Georgia Ann Joiner)
also died in 1862. I believe that Susan was probably the wife of Elijah
Sellers, and that he was a brother of Jacob Benjamin Sellers. Elijah
and Susan lived in Camilla, Mitchell County, which was also the
birthplace of Georgia Ann Joiner, who was born there when it was still
Indian Lands, on 15 Jan 1819. George W. Sellars was also living in
Camilla at the time of the 1860 census, in the household of his mother's
cousin Alfred Joiner. I believe that Susan may have made a claim on
funds due to Sergeant John M. Sellers of Appling County and Company F of
the 47th Georgia Infantry Regiment as well; however that claim is
missing. There is a reference to it, and it was filed by the same
Calhoun County attorney... William A. Walton.

More detail can be found at
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ga/schley/bios/sellar.txt and
http://pone.com/ts/rw003.htm , http://pone.com/ts/rw062.htm , and
http://pone.com/ts/rw063.htm but in most cases I have not entirely kept
pace with research progress in those pages.

>PLEASE SEND ABOVE.
>I have to SEE families to follow and prove info in those counties, etc.
>
>
You an' me both... but it ain't that way. Purely hunt & peck! I would
have NEVER expected to find Uranus in Anniston, Aabama... or Alford or
Ceadarroe in Douglas Co., Georgia!!! Nor did I have any clue concerning
"Alford", Jr. or that Ceadarroe's first name was RICHARD. This is
seat-of-the-pants genealogy all of the way...

All I've got is what is turning out, finally, to be some fairly good
oral history.

>YOUR DAD as obits, etc from his family?
>read/send info.
>and Thank you for sharing SELLERS.
>marie, iowa
>
>
RW

>