FROM
Lu Juana Lipscomb [txcuz@hotmail.com]

The attachment is from Heritage Books Archives Quaker Marriage Certificates
by Gwen Boyer Bjorkman, 1991, CD-ROM.  As I understood her preface, the
underlined names are witnesses and the third column was for bride, groom, parents, and family.

"Quaker Marriage Certificates:
Pasquotank, Perquimans, Piney Woods, and Sutton Creek Monthly Meetings, NC, 1677-1800 (1988)
& Concord MM, Delaware Co. PA, 1679-1808 (1991)
& New Garden MM, Chester Co., PA 1704-1799 (1990)

THERE IS A MAP WITH ALL THESE PLACES LISTED. 

        From:
             kangley@dakota.net

> QUAKER RECORDS
>
> Note:  The Quakers began their year with March, not January.  Therefore,
> in their records, the date (for example) 2-25-1836 is 2nd month, 25th
> day of 1836...or April 25, 1836.  We do not know if this manner of keeping
> dates is still used by Quakers, or Friends, as they referred to themselves.
>

This is correct for dates prior to 1752 but not after and applies not
just to the Quakers.

Please read the following which is from the Quaker site
http://www.quaker.org and explains the Quaker dating system and the
pitfalls of deciphering the exact date from
various records. I have a large number of Quaker ancestors and the dates
are a nightmare. Dan

                                "OUR QUAKER ANCESTORS
                                  Finding Them in Quaker Records"
                              by Ellen Thomas Berry & David Allen Berry

       From Chapter VII "Quaker Records and Some Possible Problems"
pg.67 and 68:
       "Another pitfall for the purist can be the unique way the Quakers
dated events. They did not use names for days of the week
       or months of the year since most of these names were derived from
the names of pagan gods. A date such as August 19,
       1748 will never be found. Rather it would be written as "19th da
6th mo 1748." Sometimes this will be written as 6mo
       19da 1748. Why 6th month since August is the 8th month? The
Quakers, along with everyone else in the American
       Colonies and England, did not begin using the Gregorian calendar
until 1752. Under the Julian calendar the year began on
       March 25th; March was the first month and February was the
twelfth month. This is something of a problem when an
       event occurred in the months of January, February or up to March
25th, for then the date is given as 1748/1749. Such a
       dating practice satisfied everyone, including civil authorities,
if for instance an inheritance was being established.

       You may find that some legal documents will read "the 8th mo 5th
day 1748 in the month called October." It is
       disconcerting when a date such as 30th da 11th mo 1722/1723 is
found. The double year indicates that the old calendar was
       in use. Even though the Gregorian Calendar was adopted in 1582,
as mentioned above it was 1752 before the change was
       universally accepted. We are emphasizing this point here so that
if exact days, months, and years are wanted, the old
       Quaker records must be used with great caution. Remember that
until 1752 "1st mo" is March.

       We would like to point out also that you may find secondary
material (genealogies are a case in point) in which the
       compiler transcribed dates incorrectly - for instance. "30th da
11th mo 1738/1739" rewritten as "Nov. 30, 1738/39" when
       the date in question is actually "30th January 1738/1739. The
dual year must be used until you are quite certain the locale
       in question has adopted the Gregorian calendar (or until the
Quaker records no longer have the dual form or the year is after
       1752). Dual dating is applicable ONLY for the first three months
(to 25 March) of the present calendar and NOT for the
       other nine months. The first date given is the Julian year, the
second the Gregorian year."

       Another way of finding whether the old Quaker method of dating is
being used in any given set of records is to search back
       and forth until a month such as the "2nd mo" is found and the see
if entries were made on either the 29th or 30th days, If
       this was done, then you will know the old system was being used
and the month would be the present month of April
       rather than February. Other months can be used. For instance, if
it is the "7th mo" and you find the "31st," you would
       know the new system is being used and the month is our present
month of July rather than the Quaker September."

       In other words, before 1752, 11th month was January; 12th month
was February; 1st month was March; 2nd month was
       April and so on.

       1752 and after, 1st month was January, 2nd month was February,
3rd month was March...just as we number the months
       today.

       When recording dates found in Quaker records, it is preferred
practice to copy them as they are found and to record the
       source. Too often, dates have been transformed incorrectly in
secondary sources and these dates should always be verified by
       the original monthly meeting records.

       If you are using a commercial data base which does not permit
entry of dates which reflect the manner in which they are
       found in the original records, I recommend putting only the year
in the date field. In the next field where you would
       ordinarily enter the name of a city or township, enter the date
again but as it was found. This can be followed by the name
       of the Monthly Meeting where the date was recorded, followed by
the State.

       When you print a family group sheet or other chart your output
may look like this:

       Mary Quaker
       b. 1743 2 3m 1743 New Garden MM, NC
       d. 1755 3 1m 1755 Deep River MM, NC
       bur. 1755 5 1m 1755 Deep River FBG, NC

       John Quaker
       b. 1745/46 4 1m 1745/6 New Garden, MM, NC.

       This may seem redundant, but to the recipient of your chart, it
will be abundantly clear that your source came from an
       original church record and was not copied from the IGI or
Ancestral File which are notorious for incorrectly recording this
       type of date.

Known for their plainness in dress, large numbers of Quakers followed
William Penn and settled in Pennsylvania. Many Quakers also settled
in Rhode Island and other New England states, but also in New Jersey,
North and South Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee, New York (especially
New York City and Long Island), Maryland, Delaware, Virginia, Ohio,
Indiana, Illinois, and elsewhere. Many Quakers also immigrated to the
Philadelphia area beginning in the 1660s to the 1680s and formed the
Philadelphia Yearly Meeting. They separated into the Orthodox and
Hicksite (followers of Elias Hicks) branches beginning in
Philadelphia in 1828.

QUAKER RECORD GROUPS

Quakers kept some of the best church records of any church in England
or America. Of particular interest to genealogists are the records of
monthly meetings (MM), at which births, marriages, and deaths were
recorded. Also important are minutes, marriage intentions, letters of
transfer, and actions regarding church members. (It is interesting to
note for genealogists that marriage certificates were often signed by
all persons present at the marriage ceremony.) One should remember
that many Quakers refused to serve in the military, so it is less
likely to find military service or pension records for them. But
Quakers did keep records of transfers and removals of individuals
from one meeting to another. Quarterly and yearly minutes of meetings
were also kept, but they are not as valuable genealogically as the
monthly meetings.

PRINTED SOURCES

The most valuable printed source for researchers--and the first place
to begin research--is William Wade Hinshaw's "Encyclopedia of
American Quaker Genealogy" (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore).
Hinshaw's reference is arranged by monthly meeting, and the work is
separately indexed. The volumes and index may be found in many large
libraries. Descriptions of Quaker meetings are included, and there
are several supplements to this multi-volume work.

Another valuable source, compiled by employees at Haverford College
Library in Haverford, Pennsylvania, is "Quaker Necrology" (G.K. Hall,
Boston). This two-volume work is an index to approximately 59,000
death notice entries taken from four major Quaker periodicals from
the necrology card index of the Quaker collection at Haverford
College Library. Many Quakers who died in America between 1828 and
1960 are recorded in this card file.

REPOSITORIES

The two major repositories of Quaker records in America are:

Friends Historical Library
Swarthmore College
Swarthmore, PA 19081

Haverford College Library
Haverford, PA 19041-1392

The major repository for New England Quaker records is the Rhode
Island Historical Society in Providence. Records may also be found at
Quaker colleges in North Carolina, Ohio, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, and
elsewhere. Especially valuable are Quaker records housed at Earlham
College in Richmond, Indiana (http://www.earlham.edu).

Many Quaker records have been microfilmed by the Genealogical Society
of Utah and are available at the Family History Library in Salt Lake
City. See the Family History Library Catalog (FHLC) at
http://www.familysearch.org for details. An example of filmed records
is "Goshen Monthly Meetings, Pennsylvania, 1722-1938," which contains
births, marriages, deaths, minutes of meetings, memberships,
certificates, and miscellaneous records. Original Quaker church
records are generally not indexed. See your locality of interest
under the heading "Church Records," as well as author entries under
"Society of Friends" and "Quaker."

SELECTED INTERNET SITES

Cyndi's List: Quaker Sites
http://www.cyndislist.com/quaker.htm

Quaker Ancestors
http://www.crosswinds.net/~autumnskye/quaker.html

The Quaker Corner
http://www.rootsweb.com/~quakers

Quaker History Archives
http://harrisroxas.com/qha

Quaker Resources on the Web
http://www.themestream.com/articles/191727.html

The Religious Society of Friends
http://www.quaker.org

Research Resources for Quaker Genealogy
http://www.rootsweb.com/~quakers/resource.htm

SELECTED BIBLIOGRAPHY

Berry, Ellen Thomas and David A. Berry. "Our Quaker Ancestors:
Finding Them in Quaker Records." Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing
Co., 1987.

Cope, Gilbert. "Cope Manuscript Collection." Microfilm (Family
History Library).

Heiss, Willard and Thomas D. Hamm. "Quaker Genealogies: A Selected
List of Books." Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society,
1985.

McVetty, Suzanne. "Records of the Society of Friends (Quakers), New
York Yearly Meeting." 'NYG&B Newsletter' 8 (Fall 1997): 27-31.

Milligan, Edward H. and Malcolm J. Thomas. "My Ancestors Were
Quakers: How Can I Find More About Them?" London: Society of
Genealogists, 1983.

Myers, Albert Cook. "Quaker Arrivals at Philadelphia, 1682-1750."
1902. Reprint. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1978.

Remington, Gordon L. "Quaker Preparation for the 1752 Calendar
Change." 'National Genealogical Society Quarterly' 87 (June 1999):
146-50.

Remington, Gordon L. "Quaker Records for Genealogists." 1994 National
Genealogical Society Conference in the States, Houston, Texas, pp.
497-500.

Stattler, Richard D., comp. "Guide to the Records of the Religious
Society of Friends (Quakers) in New England." Providence: Rhode
Island Historical Society, 1997.

Thomas, Allen C. and Richard H. Thomas. "A History of the Society of
Friends in America." Philadelphia: Winston & Co., 1895.

Wilds, Mary. "Finding Quaker Ancestors." 'Ancestry'
(November/December 1995): 29-31.

Worrall, Arthur J. "Quakers in the Colonial Northeast." Hanover,
N.H.: University Press of New England, 1980.
____________________________________________________________________

Kip Sperry, CG, AG, FASG, FNGS, FUGA, is an associate professor of
family history at Brigham Young University in Provo, Utah. He is the
author of "Abbreviations & Acronyms for the Family Historian"
(today's Product Special at:
http://shops.ancestry.com/product.asp?productid=1957), "Reading Early
American Handwriting," "Genealogical Research in Ohio," and other
works.

Kip's Tips is a bi-weekly column at Ancestry.com
(http://www.ancestry.com/library/view/columns/tips/tips.asp). Look
for it in the Today @ Ancestry section of the "Ancestry Daily News"
every other Tuesday. The Kip's Tips archive is at:
http://www.ancestry.com/library/view/columns/tips/d_p_1_archive.asp

Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy, Vol. 1
http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/3215.htm

Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy, Vol. 2
http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/3216.htm

Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy, Vol. 3 (New York)
http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/3180.htm

Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy, Vol. 4
http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/3219.htm

Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy, Vol. 5
http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/3222.htm

Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy, Vol. 6
http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/3226.htm

Chappaqua, Westchester County, New York Quaker Records
http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/4968.htm

Dutchess County, New York Quaker Records
http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/4702.htm

Illinois Quaker Records
http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/4752.htm

Irish Quaker Immigration into Pennsylvania
http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/3300.htm

Missouri Quaker Records
http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/4998.htm

Nottingham, Cecil County, Maryland Quaker Records
http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/5025.htm

Pennsylvania Irish Quaker Immigrants, 1682-1750
http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/4587.htm

Philadelphia Quaker Arrivals, 1682-1750
http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/4444.htm

Quaker Invasion of Massachusetts
http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/3200.htm

Virginia Early Quaker Records
http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/1035.htm
___________________________________________________________________

This list of Quaker databases is also posted in the library at:
http://www.ancestry.com/library/view/columns/tips/2966.asp

I have  cd on Quakers that is NOT transcribed either. But, it doesn't list this family.
It is cd 192 and it Also lists SULLERS, etc which I believe could be ours.
THANKS.
marie, iowa
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Lu Juana Lipscomb [mailto:txcuz@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 3:31 PM
To: mari@netins.net
Subject: HIT SOMETHING BY MISTAKE!!!
 

Marie,  Do you have the CD-Rom mentioned in the previous message?  I won't
copy if you have.  That was in the Concord Monthly Meeting, and there are
more SELLERS.

Lu Juana