PETER SELLERS 1740/50- 1750/60-1831 (from 1830 Wash Co, Tn census = 1740/50)

ED'S PAGE = ?
others?

ARMENTROUT FAMILY (make page)

GARBER FAMILY

MEARS FAMILY

HAROLD’S PAGE

Does ANYONE have a time chart on this family? = PETER SELLERS

OR any PETER SELLERS =

SHARING possibilities and documents might help prove.

HEINRICH/HENRY SELLERS 1704 immigrant, to Phil , Pa 1738 had a son Peter ca

1739.

They were in Aug Co, VA 1750 and Rock Co, VA 1769.

ARE we missing some records here?

OR do we have ANOTHER SELLERS family born NY that came to Rock Co, VA

1790's?

marie, iowa

married Margaret ARMENTROUT 1750 Augusta Co,VA/ This Peter born ca 1730/ Would NOT be born ca 1739!

=======
after 1830Wash Co,TN
(How marriage proven ?=) If married 1750 = at least born 1730/1734

AUGUSTA CO, VA - CHALKLEY'S CHRONICLES

Page 421.--18th August, 1761. Henry Seller to Peter Seller, £30, 123

acres, 100 acres whereof patented to Henry, 10th March, 1756; 23 acres

part of tract whereon Henry now lives, on Shanando River. Delivered:

Jno. Seller, August Court, 177G.

Page 280.--11th September, 1768. Henry Seller to Adam Seller, £60,

168 acres patented to Henry, 1st June, 1750. on Shanando, Philip Long's

land; corner Peter Sellers'; also 205 acres patented to Henry, 30th August,

March 25, 1782.

William Smith was sworn in as a captain of militia.

At a court opened March 26, 1782, and continued several days for adjusting claims, agreeable to an Act of Assembly passed in October, 1781, the following claims were presented and approved. The services rendered and supplies furnished were for the United States in the War for Independence.

1780 =
Peter Sellers, for 5 bus. corn, at 2s., Nov. 14, 1780; 5 bus. rye, at 2s.6d., Nov. 10, 1780

DATE?
Accounts were allowed for military supplies furnished, for public service with teams, for horses lost in public service, etc., to the following:
ADAM SELLERS

May 30, 1782.
Revolutionary claims were allowed to
John Sellers

1790 =

1791= PETER SELLERS land at MtnValley on westside of mt for 16 acres - S.W.STEPHENS corner. Peter SELLERS and wife Margaret
(note from MaryMarieKoontzArrington = The Old Stevens place was on SMITH'S CREEK between Lacey Spring and road 620 today)
(There was a path/trail road thru FRIDLEY'S GAP to Peaked Mtn Church and the McGaheysville/Elkton area from the Mtn Valley area)
(This land appears to have descended to Conrad SELLERS to John SELLERS to Daniel SELLERS and then sold out of the SELLERS family)
(Leon CAVE owned this land in 1985)
(AMANDA LAYMAN, dau of DANIEL SELLERS owned a section along the east line)

1800 = a PETER/MARGARET SELLERS anywhere =
IF this land was deeded/sold to CONRAD SELLERS = chart on him = son of ? and Who were his sons? Peter?

1810 Rockingham Co, VA =
MALES UNDER 10 , MALES 10 AND UNDER 16 , MALES 16 AND UNDER 26 ,
MALES 26 AND UNDER 45 ,MALES 45 AND UP
Peter SELLARS, PAGE 135=
00101-2120-00 =
male 45 and up = bef 1765
male 16/26 = 1784/94
2 females 16/26 = 1784/94
female 10/16 = 1794/1800
2 females u 10 = 1800/1810

neighbors = ?

1820 VA= ?

1812 GREENE CO, TN LAST? TAX? LIST = PETER SELLERS
1820 TN = no census - tax list =? minutes =?

1830 WASHINGTON CO, TN=

DAVID SELLERS, PAGE 218
2 MALES U 5 = 1825/30
2 MALES 30/40=1790/1800 (did we go to CA?) ck San Jose, Santa Clara, California
1 MALE 80/90=1740/50 (is this Peter Seller/Zeller?msh) married 1750? Can Not be same, msh)
1 FEMALE 20/30=1800/10
1 FEMALE 60/70=1760/70 (is this Margaret Armentrout?) They were married 1750 = can NOT be same,msh)

ARE WE missing a generation here? msh

Did Peter and wife both die between 1830/40 or living with another child?

1840 CARTER CO, TN =
DAVID SELLERS, PAGE 183 (ck Wash Co, Tn)
0120001-02001 =

male 40/50 = 1790/1800
2 males 10/15 = 1825/30
male 5/10 = 1830/35

female 20/30 = 1810/20
2 females 5/10 = 1830/35

We have a PETER SELLERS on the 1812 GREENE CO, TN TAX LIST

1820 we have NO Washington or Greene Co, TN census.
Court Minutes and Probate should be Available and Should be posted = WE NEED

GREENE CO was Made from WASHINGTON CO, TN LAND

PETER SELLERS born 1740/50 from Augusta and Rockingham Co, VA
Died after 1830 Washington Co,TN
married Margaret ARMENTROUT b1750 Augusta Co,VA/

1810 Rockingham Co, VA =
Peter SELLARS, PAGE 135=
00101-2120-00=
1 male over 45 = BEF 1765
1 male
2 females
1 female
2 females

1830 WASHINGTON CO, TN=

DAVID SELLERS, PAGE 218
2 MALES U 5 = 1825/30
2 MALES 30/40=1790/1800 (did we go to CA?) (ck Santa Clara Co, Ca)
1 MALE 80/90=1740/50 (is this Peter Seller/Zeller?msh)
1 FEMALE 20/30=1800/10
1 FEMALE 60/70=1760/70 (is this Margaret Armentrout?)

Did Peter and wife both die between 1830/40 or living with another child?

1840 CARTER CO, TN =
DAVID SELLERS, PAGE 183
0120001-02001

PETER SELLERS SON =
DAVID SELLERS born 7-17-1798Rockingham Co,VA died 3-2-1891 CA

WE will finish and add More Info on this family as it is sent in =
WE Need Names/Dates/Places of Any Kids/Who Married and Went Where=

Harold Augustus ROGERS,JR, Capitola, CA sent this chart in 1981?
another address shows Stockton, CA

DAVID SELLARS 1798VA/1891CA
married 2-12-1824 Wash Co, Tn to MARGARET B. MEARS,she died 2-28-1835
       JAMES MADISON SELLARS 12-5-1824TN/died CA
                   married 3-5-1846TN? KITURAH SMITH
        DAVID GEO WASHINGTON SELLARS 6-28-1826/
                    married MARTHA
         JOHN EASON SELLERS 6-3-1831TN/died Frosser,WA
          MARY ADALINE SELLERS 5-7-1834TN/died Butte Co,CA
                     married 6-26-1849TN? JEREMIAH BOHANNON

married 10-29-1838WashCo,TN NANCY GARBER 1838/1844TN
          ABRAHAM NELSON WILLIAMSON SELLERS 9-24-1839CarterCoTN/1839TN
           CATHERINE EMILEN SELLERS 1841CarterCo,TN/1914CA
                      married 1858 Ripon,CA HENRY MILLER
            MICHAEL ALLEN GARBER SELLERS 1843 CARTER CO,TN/1918CA
                      married 1884Seattle,WA

married 4-29-1845TN SARAH MORRIS 1812/1884CA
               LANDEN CARTER HANES SELLARS 1846TN
                WILLIAM CASTELION WORTH SELLERS 1848/1922CA
                 MAHALA JANE SELLERS 1850 MO?/1872CA
                 MARGARET LUTICIA
                  CHARLES WEBER SELLERS 1854 CA/
                   THOMAS JEFFERSON SELLERS 1860CA/

dates from family bible of CATHERINE SELLERS, dau of David SELLERS1798 and wife NANCY GARBER (info from Harold ROGERS,Stockton, CA in 1980's)
The ? marks behind the two marriages were his - marie, iowa

Also a note from

1850 MERCER CO, MO
DAVID SELLERS 51 VA (ck 1840 CARTER CO, TN) WASH CO,TN? (ck1860SantaClara,Ca)
SARAH 36 TN
JOHN E. 19 TN
CATHERINE 9 TN
M.A.E. 7M TN
S.C.H. 4M TN
W.C.W. 2 M TN
MAHALA 1/12F MO
JEREMIAH 23M TN
MAY A. 16 TN

I believe MOST of the Following is a duplicate of above. Need to read and check and delete.
PETER SELLERS bef 1740/50-1831

married Margaret ARMENTROUT 1750- Augusta Co,VA/

1790 =
1800 =
1810 Rockingham Co, VA =
Peter SELLARS, PAGE 135=
00101-2120-00

1812 GREENE CO, TN LAST LIST = PETER SELLERS
1820 = no census - tax list =? minutes =?

1830 WASHINGTON CO, TN=

DAVID SELLERS, PAGE 218
2 MALES U 5 = 1825/30
2 MALES 30/40=1790/1800 (did we go to CA?)
1 MALE 80/90=1740/50 (is this Peter Seller/Zeller?msh)
1 FEMALE 20/30=1800/10
1 FEMALE 60/70=1760/70 (is this Margaret Armentrout?)

Did Peter and wife both die between 1830/40 or living with another child?

1840 CARTER CO, TN =
DAVID SELLERS, PAGE 183
0120001-02001

We have a PETER SELLERS on the 1812 GREENE CO, TN TAX LIST

1820 we have NO Washington or Greene Co, TN census.
Court Minutes and Probate should be Available and Should be posted = WE NEED

GREENE CO was Made from WASHINGTON CO, TN LAND

PETER SELLERS born 1740/50 from Augusta and Rockingham Co, VA
Died after 1830 Washington Co,TN
married Margaret ARMENTROUT b1750 Augusta Co,VA/

1810 Rockingham Co, VA =
Peter SELLARS, PAGE 135=
00101-2120-00=
1 male over 45
1 male
2 females
1 female
2 females

1830 WASHINGTON CO, TN=

Did Peter and wife both die between 1830/40 or living with another child?

1840 CARTER CO, TN =
DAVID SELLERS, PAGE 183
0120001-02001

PETER SELLERS SON =
DAVID SELLERS born 7-17-1798Rockingham Co,VA died 3-2-1891 CA

WE will finish and add More Info on this family as it is sent in =
WE Need Names/Dates/Places of Any Kids/Who Married and Went Where=

Harold Augustus ROGERS,JR, Capitola, CA sent this chart in 1981?
another address shows Stockton, CA

1850 MERCER CO, MO
DAVID SELLERS 51 VA
SARAH 36 TN

PETER ALLEY 68 VA
MARTHA 65 VA

MikeAmber [mikeamber@lvcm.com]
Hello,
I'm looking for any info available for the existence of a cemetery in Washington County, TN, called "The Old Barnes Cemetery". It is supposed to be just outside of Johnson City, TN. In particular, Peter Sellers/Sellars is recorded as having been buried there.

So far, I've been unable to uncover even the existence of this cemetery nor any records of any kind of those buried there.

Any assistance in either locating this cemetery or records of those buried there would be GREATLY appreciated!

Michael Sellers

JAN 2004

Wanted to forward this to the Sellers group as well since it was initially posted to the VAAUGUST (Augusta County) list. Thought it might be of interest to those Sellers who descend from Heinrich Zeller and/or those whose ancestors might have eventually gone from Virginia to Tennessee.

Michael Sellers

-----Original Message-----

From: Sellers.Michael

Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 12:19 PM

To: VAAUGUST-L@rootsweb.com

Subject: RE: [VAAUGUST] Sellers

Gloria,

Thank you very much for keeping me in mind and forwarding this after you found it. It is good info to have. Jacob Sellers' lineage runs parallel to my own. Jacob's Great Grandfather was Peter Sellers, an older brother to my 5 Great Grandfather, Adam Sellers. Thus, both Jacob Sellers and I descend from Peter and Adam's father, Heinrich Zeller. Jacob's father was Conrad Sellers, Jr. and his grandfather was Conrad Sellers, Sr.

What has interested me about this line somewhat is the mystery surrounding Jacob's great grandfather, Peter Sellers. We don't know who Peter married nor where he eventually ended up. He can be found in land records until circa 1818 in Rockingham County, Virginia, and then he just disappears. The idea has been put forward that Peter had married an Armentrout later in life and eventually moved to Washington County, Tennessee, to live with a son where he died circa 1830 and was laid to rest outside of Jonesboro.

None of that, however, has been proven.

The irony is that Jacob Sellers, great grandson of Peter Sellers, himself married an Armentrout, and moved to Washington County, Tennessee. Its reported that they stopped there because they already had relatives in the area. Jacob and Priscilla bought a farm in the Leesburg area and lived there until they died and were buried in the Lutheran Zion cemetery. A number of years later their son, James Joseph Sellers, moved the bodies to the Fairview Cemetery because James had helped establish the church and the cemetery.

I doubt it will ever be proven what happened to Peter Sellers in his later years nor where he was eventually laid to rest. But, the similarity between his supposed move from Rockingham County, Virginia, to Washington County, Tennessee and that of his great grandson, Jacob Sellers a quarter century later certainly makes one take notice.

Michael Sellers

-----Original Message-----

From: Gloria Sutherland [mailto:ghsutherland@adelphia.net]

Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 11:36 AM

To: VAAUGUST-L@rootsweb.com

Subject: [VAAUGUST] Sellers

Ran across this Sellers while surfing the net. Don't know if it is of

any use to Michael Sellers but here goes:

http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/rockingham/vitals/a655marr.txt

ROCKINGHAM CO., VA: MARRIAGE REGISTER - ARMENTROUT

6 19 1843 Armentrout, Priscilla Sellers, Jacob

Bond

MICHAEL, thank YOU for sharing.

NOW, where is JACOB SELLERS in 1840 and

1850 , etc=

SON OF ?

When/Where in TN =

HE still had relation here?

WHO?

WHERE?

PLEASE share info you have SO I can SEE them.

TIME CHART would be great if you don't have the census/marriages, etc

IS he related to the PETER SELLERS =

1812 GREENE CO, TN TAX LIST = Peters SELLERS

AND the

1830 WASHINGTON CO, TN=

DAVID SELLERS, PAGE 218

2 MALES U 5 = 1825/30

2 MALES 30/40=1790/1800 (did we go to CA?) ck San Jose, Santa Clara,

California

1 MALE 80/90=1740/50 (is this Peter Seller/Zeller?msh)

1 FEMALE 20/30=1800/10

1 FEMALE 60/70=1760/70

PLEASE send the JACOB SELLERS info to census/time chart =

AGE, ETC

their son=

JAMES JOSEPH SELLERS age and Where he is, etc =

FILL in the gaps, etc

ARMENTROUT history = states what =

IT ONLY takes ONE person to KNOW us in a certain area, time, etc to HELP= IF

they know who and where we are.

WE must share/post this info to these counties/states.

Thanks, Please Understand and thank you for sharing SELLERS.

marie, iowa

jan 2004

VAAUGUST-L@rootsweb.com

Subject: RE: [VAAUGUST] Sellers

Gloria,

None of that, however, has been proven.

Michael Sellers

Sellers.Michael [msellers@acresgaming.com]

-----Original Message-----

From: Gloria Sutherland [mailto:ghsutherland@adelphia.net]

Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 11:36 AM

To: VAAUGUST-L@rootsweb.com

Subject: [VAAUGUST] Sellers

Ran across this Sellers while surfing the net. Don't know if it is of

any use to Michael Sellers but here goes:

http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/rockingham/vitals/a655marr.txt

ROCKINGHAM CO., VA: MARRIAGE REGISTER - ARMENTROUT

6 19 1843 Armentrout, Priscilla Sellers, Jacob

Bond

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1850 SELLERS with VA births IN TN

Henry Sellers 70 1779 Virginia Male District 8, Fayette, TN

Joel Sellers 30 1819 Virginia Male District 10, Grainger, TN

dec 2004

from Mike and Amber Sellers [mikeamber@cox.net]

Hi all,

I've been lurking and reading with great interest the latest discussion

about David Sellers/Sellars and his ancestry. He has long been an interest

of mine since the theory arose that his father was possibly Peter Sellers,

the son of Heinrich Zeller. I thank everyone for continually sending their

messages to the list for all of us to read and follow with great interest.

As I descend directly from Heinrich Zeller (as a 6th Great Grandson),

researching any and all of his possible offspring has been of great

interest. Peter, a 5th Great-Grand Uncle to me, has been of interest since

so little is known of him including a lack of a definitive birth date &

place, lack of knowledge about his wife's name, when and where he died, etc.

The recent discussion about David possibly being a son to Peter is of great

interest, and I'd like to try and add some info to the discussion that would

help all of us in trying to figure out the puzzle. I don't presume to be an

expert in any shape or form, so I hope I don't come across that way. I just

want to add some fodder to the discussion and hope it helps one way or the

other.

First, in an earlier message I see a reference to Peter's father, Heinrich,

arriving in New York in 1738. From the research I've done, research done by

Mary Marie Koontz Arrington in her 1986 book, "Cradled by the Massanutten:

The Zeller-Sellers Family", and research done by Frank Sellers in his 1984

book, "A Preliminary Study of the Descendants of Heinrich Zeller," Heinrich

Zeller landed in Philadelphia, PA, on September 16, 1738, aboard the Queen

Elizabeth and not in NY. Since nothing is known of Heinrich and family

between their arrival in PA in 1738 and their subsequent appearance in the

area south of Elkton in present-day Rockingham County, VA, in 1750, its

quite possible they were in New York instead of with other German Zellers in

PA. However, no direct evidence that I know of has been found to place

Heinrich and family in New York. Without direct evidence of Heinrich and

family being in New York, its difficult to place son Peter as being born

there circa 1739 and thus the ability to link Peter as a father to David

because Peter was born in New York is equally difficult. The limited info I

have about Peter's birth place and year is a patch of guess-work that states

he was "probably born" in 1739 soon after the family's arrival in PA in

September 1738. The assumption has always been that the 1739 place of birth

was in PA. If we can find direct proof of his birth, whether in PA or NY,

then I think its a huge step in the right direction.

Second, if we tentatively accept Peter Sellers birth year of circa 1739,

then David Sellers/Sellars birth in Rockingham County in 1798 was at a late

stage for Peter. It would be my contention that Catherine Armentrout was a

second or more wife for Peter. We already know that Peter had a son, John

Sellers, by 1765 and possibly had another son, Peter Sellers, Jr., even

earlier with I presume his first wife. After all, Peter, Jr. was already

married AND had a child, Catherine, by 1784. Thus, if David Sellars was

indeed a son of Peter, Sr. and thus a grandson of Heinrich, then he would've

been younger than some of his father, Peter, Sr.'s, grandchildren!

Third, I'm somewhat skeptical of the reference to "David's father, Peter

Sellars........and his three brothers....Johannes, Adam and Michael Sellars

{all the sons of Heinrich Zeller who arrived in New York in l738} .....were

with General George Washington on that terrible Winter of l778" as

interpreters. I leave open the possibility, but some information points

away from it as being fact.

Peter Sellers, John Sellers, and my 5 Great Grandfather, Adam Sellers,

presented receipts to the Rockingham County Court of 1780 and 1782 for

reimbursement for items given to the cause of the American Revolution. To

wit:

Nov. 10, 1780 - Peter Sellers, for 5 bus. rye, at 2s.6d.

Nov. 14, 1780 - Peter Sellers, for 5 bus. corn, at 2s.

March 29, 1782: Accounts were allowed for military supplies furnished, for

public service with teams, for horses lost in public service, etc., to the

following: Adam Sellers

April 24, 1782: Accounts were allowed for service, supplies furnished,

etc., during the Revolution, to the following persons: Adam Sellers

May 30, 1782: Revolutionary claims were allowed to: John Sellers

Perhaps my assumptions are incorrect, but I view the claims for

reimbursement for items supplied during the American Revolution as some

proof that the three Sellers sons were at home during the War. Its

difficult to make the jump that the three were acting as Washington's

interpreters in 1778 while then submitting claims 2-4 years later for items

they supplied from their farms during that same period of time. Further,

there are no Revolutionary War service documents presently uncovered that

detail service for any of the 3 brothers. The only link to the War for the

3 are the reimbursement claims filed in Rockingham County Court.

And, the Michael Sellers who does show as having Revolutionary War service

is not the Michael Sellers, son of Heinrich Zeller. Michael Sellers, son of

Henrich Zeller, settled and lived in the Melrose area of Rockingham County,

Virginia. The Michael Sellers who served in the Revolutionary War lived in

Woodstock, Shenandoah County, Virginia at the time the War began. His wife,

Catherine Dillman, testified at a War Pension hearing that Michael "was in

Woodstock, in Shenandoah County, VA, when the war broke and it was here he

enlisted". Thus, there were at least two Michael Sellers living in Virginia

at the time the work broke out, and Michael Sellers, son of Heinrich, did

not serve in the War itself according to Revolutionary War documents and

records.

As a result, I don't know of any evidence that supports any of Heinrich

Zeller's sons serving an active role in the War. And, I believe this also

dims the light on any of them being interpreter's for Washington in New

Jersey on Christmas of 1778.

I apologize for the negative sound of the message towards the possibility of

David being a son of Peter and thus a grandson of Heinrich, and for being so

negative towards the brothers serving as Interpreters for Washington. But,

I think the data is important for us to not only keep in mind but also to

look at when trying to wade thru all of this 200+ years later while trying

to determine ancestry. I don't put the data in this message out there as an

argument for or against any conclusion. Its just there because we are going

to be forced to deal with it when trying to wade thru the info we have while

trying to solve the ancestral questions surrounding David Sellars.

Quite frankly, I'd be thrilled to learn or uncover data about the family

actually being in New York, and I'd be ecstatic for us to be able to

positively identify that David's father, Peter Sellers, was indeed

Heinrich's grandson. But, remembering that most of Heinrich Zeller's

post-1750 Rockingham County, VA, neighbors were from the Tulpehocken area of

PA, I think we're going to find a link for him from NY exceptionally

difficult to find.

I'd love to see this discussion continue and I look forward to sharing and

debating data as its presented. Hopefully, together we can reach a

definitive conclusion that will benefit us all.

Maybe if one of these days I get off the wallet and dole out the bucks to do

the DNA test, we can show today whether we share Zeller/Sellers ancestors of

yesteryear!

Michael Sellers

6 Great Grandson of Heinrich Zeller (via his son, Adam Sellers 1742-1821)

----- Original Message -----

From: "marie sellers hollinger" <mari@netins.net>

To: <SELLERS-L@rootsweb.com>

Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 7:05 PM

Subject: [SELLERS] RE: Remembering a Christmas had by the Sellars boys 226

years ago.......

> HAL, thank you.

> Do we have a SELLARS/SELLERS with a DNA test on this family?

> marie, iowa

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Rogerscap@aol.com [mailto:Rogerscap@aol.com]

> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 5:11 PM

> To: mari@netins.net

> Subject: Remembering a Christmas had by the Sellars boys 226 years

> ago.......

> Hi Marie,

> Today I sent David Sellars' picture to Nora Tocus, great grand

> daughter of Mary Adaline Sellars {Bohannon}, daughter of David Sellars.

> Since it is Christmas time I thought I would send the same message to

> you.

> Our ancestor, David Sellars, was born July 17th, 1798 in Rockingham

> County, Virginia.

> Through David's three wives he had fourteen children and leaves many

> descendants all across this land of America. Researchers today believe

that

> David's father, Peter Sellars........and his three brothers....Johannes,

> Adam and Michael Sellars {all the sons of Heinrich Zeller who arrived in

New

> York in l738} .....were with General George Washington on that terrible

> Winter of l778.

> These men were the true hero's that made this country of the United

> States of America a reality. They endured the worst kind of cold as they

> hunkered down with inadequate clothing and even shoes for their blood

soaked

> freezing feet.....some wrapped only in white linen rags.

> These Americans crossed over the Potomac River from their encampment

> Valley Forge, Pennsylvania....over to where the German speaking Hessians

> were encamped in Trenton, New Jersey early on the Christmas morning of

> December 25th, l778. This happened 226 years ago this Christmas.

> The Americans surprised the German Hessian's, paid fighting

mercenaries

> of the British army,...the Hessians had been celebrating their own

Christmas

> just hours before the Americans invaded. The Hessians, on the New Jersey

> side of the river, never expected a surprise attack on Christmas day, and

> the Hessians had been partying hardy the night before.

> George Washington needed the help of his interpreters.....people who

had

> command of the German language....to handle the logistics of a capture.

The

> Sellars boys, fluent in German, ....and only one generation-span from the

> Netherlands homeland......the Sellars family having arrived in New York in

> l738......walked right into the pages of our most celebrated American

> history.

> All of us living descendants of the Sellars family members.....in a

> way.....were there in Valley Forge with those Sellars boys in the Winter

> l778.....we carry their DNA.....their blood.....with us to this day !!!!

> was this very same blood and DNA coursing through our veins today

> ......that coursed so many years ago when the Sellars boys were inspired

> do the thank-less, but courageous deeds that brought about a new American

> government.

> It is nice to know where your very essence used to be hundreds of years

> ago.....and what that very essence......was doing at that time.....don't

you

> think ?

> Merry Christmas Marie,

> Yours,

> Hal Rogers

> 12-11-2004

Re: Sellars-Eason Pedigree connection in the 12-03-2004 e-mail from James Richard Sellars.

I have seen James Richard Sellars family pedigree but I can not make the connection to Tennessee. The siblings of Richard Sellars that James Richard Sellars is speaking of....namely David and Julia Sellars ....were two of about twelve childrfen. Their oldest sibling was born in l814 in North Carolina as was the father Richard Sellars in l788. I tried looking at a number of Eason families in Georgia for the birthdates of their elders in the l880 census records .....but these Georgia born Easons were in Georgia so long that everything comes up Georgia for a birthdate for just about everyone in those census records.

Was looking for a Virginia or Tennessee parent connection.......Sorry James but no luck....you will need to follow Richard Sellars back to the next generation somehow for your answers.

I have found the John G. Eason family, and I believe it is the one I was searching for. Found John G. Eason in Washington County, Tennessee near Jonesborough....and at the correct time in 1830. This John G. Eason was born in Virginia in 1794 and he died in August of l837 in Virginia but he was married in Tennessee to Ann Julia Deadrick on August 26th, l817 in Davidson County Tennessee. Davidson County was formed in 1783 from Washington County, Tennessee in 1783........ about nine counties due west of where the Sellars were located in Greene County, Tennessee at the same time period of l830. This John G. Eason had a daughter, Julia Eason that married a William Lowry. That Eason line goes back to Samuel Eason born in l760 in Washington County, Virginia {a border state and a border county to Tennessee} which just happens to be right in the same neighborhood of where the David Sellars family was living in both Washington and Carter Counties, Tennessee. Only one county of separation between their homes. Did the Eason and Sellars families appear as neighbors in the earlier Virginia census records ?....it is only eight small county's south of Rockingham County, Virginia.

Re: Remembering a Christmas had by the Sellars and Michael Sellars e-mail of 12-13-2004 and Marie Sellers Hollinger e-mail of 12-12-2004 I have a few comments:

1) No DNA test performed that I know of ......and this will require big bucks if it is to be done right. It is never cheap to dig up the dead but it did prove the case for the descendants of Sally Hemmings, a special slave of Thomas Jefferson....... didn't it ?

2) The birth of Peter Sellars in New York is merely an extension of the 1880 census material where David Sellars says his father was born in New York.....likewise the New Jersey birth is just an extension exercise for Catherine Margaret Armentrout Sellars and her birthplace.

The information written on the picture I have of David Sellars ....by extension....is also being applied here to what we know of Peter's siblings. Sometimes the names in genealogy

have to be applied to the data we have at hand....from there we see where it can take us. I have always put the slightest of details into my pedigree charts in order to find linkages where no one else ever thought to look before.This is all I tried to do with the Remembering a Christmas had by the Sellars boys 226 years ago ......this was kind of a Christmas Card to all you from me....and the feedback is helping to re-define a new search area for Peter Sellars.....the Armentrout family ........at least for me it is.

I don't want to hijack anyone's family away....we are talking hypothetical......this is a way of doing research ! Heinrich Zeller may very well not be the grandfather or for that matter the great grandfather of David Sellars. Mary Marie Koontz Arrington didn't think so....the data wasn't there..... although I had made contact with her to discuss my third great grandfather David Sellars.....about all we could come up with was that it needed more work....that David Sellars could be a related family....and that was it. As time goes by it seems like it might be easier to prove that David Sellars is not related to Heinrich ......rather than that he is related. I would love to prove he isn't related so I can move on with my David Sellars family once and for all. I have been pursuing another possibility in New York for some time ......but it is too early at this time to put that on anyone's table.

3) I did not say Heinrich Zeller landed in New York. I said he arrived in New York because that would be necessary in order for Peter to be born in New York. It is a methodology I use and that's all it is? I expressed to Marie Hollinger in an e-mail that I thought it was cool to be able to put the census data together with the information on the picture and the theoretical

family of Zeller for David Sellars.

4) Talking about that twelve year time span 1738-1750 and no data for where Heinrich Zeller is......that is a pretty large gap....I think we can do better then that. I am suggesting we look more closely at New York..... I am looking for evidence in New York....why must the assumption of Peter's birth always have to be where Heinrich landed in September of 1738...... the assumption has always seemed a bit anal retentive to me. Has this assumption brought about any new discussion for years....? I am looking somewhere else....David says look in New York ....so I am looking to New York.....and maybe Heinrich Zeller was living there for a decade or more. OK ? Enough said.

4) Does anyone know if Peter had a sister named Margaret Sellers born in l787 ? Anyone want to take me in the right direction here ? There are a lot of Sellars/Stevens descendants out there claiming that their Stevens ancestors come from this daughter of Peter Sellars and Catherine Armentrout. Could use some solid evidence for that if anyone can provide it. It would take us again from Rockingham County, Virginia to Washington County, Tennessee.

5) Does having the children and grand children of Heinrich Zeller ....close in age.....give us any new direction......at this point I don't know what to do with that methodology of Michael Sellers. Please explain the point you were putting forward....how does that information translate into a research objective ?

6) Yes, Michael ....like you I am skeptical about the reference to...."David's father, Peter Sellars.....and his three brothers.....Johannes, Adam and Michael Sellars....all the sons of Heinrich Zeller...who arrived {NOT LANDED} in New York......in 1738".

7) I disagree that reimbursement claims can make the case for the Peter Sellars boys being home {in Virginia or Pennsylvania} during the Revolutionary War. Are you supposing that during a time of National crisis that there were no other families sacrificing themselves as well as carrying out the chores on their respective farms. Just who do you think were fighting this war......the rich and influential ? I like the popularist tradition better. Sellars family members were most definitely doing what their American counterparts were doing....making the ultimate sacrifice for the beginning of a new American Dream. They did their chores and they did the fighting.....no contradictions in that at all. Take a look at the War of 1812 ....the farmers of Ohio and Kentucky managed to fight that war as well as plant and harvest !!!!

My ancestors were in that conflict as well.......our family lost Frederick Jacoby on October 5th, l813 at Moravian Town in Ontario, Canada at the Battle of Thames. These men were for the most part simple farmers that rushed between the battlefields and their farms depending on what needed to be accomplished in either area. Their lives were far more flexible than you give them credit for. When someone wanted to be a captain they would often be so eagar for the position that they would fight it out and beat each other bloody to see which of them got to be the captain. Frederick Jacoby's brother, Ralph Jacoby, was chosen for a captain. The blood smeared men who were left standing became the Captains and the Lieutenants.

Sorry....I just do not accept your conclusions here at all about everyone in the family having to stay put on some farms because of some receipts you have found....talk about taking a leap ! No....they could easily have worked their farms and spent the off seasons including the down-time of the Winter months fighting the British and Hessians in New Jersey.....right alongside all the rest of George Washington's volunteers.

8) Next, Rockingham County and Shenandoah Counties are neighboring counties.....a distance of just a few feet for an entire county border. Were there indeed two Michael Sellers.....I am just asking what proof do you have.....is it really pivotal here ?

7) You are right that there has not been any evidence brought forward to support the "methodology" being employed to make the case that Heinrich Zeller's sons served an active role in the War. But a lack of records does not prove a thing .......lost and destroyed records are a fact of life. You can't take an absence of records and try to support a case of

no military service for the Sellars boys......it would be like saying someone didn't graduate from school because they were not in school when the school photo's were taken.

8) Has anyone tried looking for the Sellars connection in New York? I have and there is plenty of evidence to suggest that David's parents were in fact in New York. David Sellars told us in 1880 to look in New York for his father.....David Sellars said to look in New Jersey for his mother. That is where my focus will be.

See you all,

Hal Rogers

Rogerscap@aol.com

Wow. Glad to see the interest in trying to figure out whether David Sellars

was a son of Peter Sellers, the son of Heinrich Zeller. From the few most

recent posts, I hope no one's feathers continue to get ruffled. Afterall,

we are all trying to share data, info, opinions, etc. towards a common goal.

With that being said, let me take a moment to respond where I can to Hal's

thought provoking message. A reply isn't necessary to all 8, so I'll

respond only where I can offer anything that's hopefully positive or a help.

1) Concerning a DNA test, its my opinion that the basic test could

initially be done to see if there is any reason to move forward with the

more indepth, thorough (and costly) test. No reason to mortgage the farm

for the full treatment if the smaller one answers the relational question

early on.

2) I agree in the fact that Mary Marie Koontz Arrington didn't think that

Heinrich Zeller was the Great Grandfather of David Sellars. Arrington

certainly did a great job with her work in 1986, but mistakes can still

happen. Though I find her correct in better than 95% of her work, I do use

parts of her work as a guideline rather than as verbatim. Arrington, who's

grandmother was Mary Catherine Sellers and who also descends from Heinrich

Zeller via Peter Sellers, worked a great deal with my own grandmother to get

family info for the line of Sellers from Heinrich via his son, Adam. I

still find some mistakes here and there, and thus I also agree that the

David Sellars - Heinrich Zeller connection needs more work. I'm certainly

not knocking Arrington's work. Its one of the most valuable around. But,

18+ years have passed since her tremendous effort, and there's more out

there for us to find and to share in order to answer alot of these

questions.

3) I understand your point about stating that "Heinrich Zeller arrived in

New York" and using it as methodology in going forward. However, in the

manner it was typed, I think it was confused with fact by many who read it.

To state as supposition that Heinrich Zeller went to New York after his

arrival in Pennsylvania is fine as long as it is clear that it is

supposition and not documented fact. It is indeed a new idea that I have

not heard nor pondered before, and I anxiously await the outcome of your

research into it.

4) As always, continued research leaves open the possibility, but as I know

it right now, no, Peter Sellers, son of Heinrich Zeller, did not have a

sister named Margaret Sellers born in 1787. There was an Anna Margaret

Zeller born circa 1755 that has been debated as being either a daughter of

Heinrich's or a granddaughter via his son, John Sellers. Regardless of

either scenario, Anna Margaret Zeller/Sellers married Heinrich Monger circa

1773, and together they had at least 10 children. But, aside from the

debate of which Zeller/Sellers was her father, there's no way that Peter

Sellers, son of Heinrich Zeller, had a sister named Margaret AND born in

1787. Heinrich Zeller was dead by circa 1773 at the age of approximately 69

years old, and, according to Frank Sellers, author of "A Preliminary Study

of the Descendants of Heinrich Zeller", wife Anna Maria Fechter was older

than Heinrich. There are few things I'm confident enough in to conclude

100%, however, there's virtually no way that a sister was born to Peter

Sellers, son of Heinrich Zeller, in 1787 ... especially since Heinrich died

10+ years before that.

5) There was no overall point for you to miss nor "research objective" to

follow with the info about Peter having grandchildren as early as 1784. It

was used as a comparitive example and/or interesting bit of data. As I

stated early on in the previous message, I do not presume to be an expert of

any sort in my geneaological endeavors. If people are looking for

directional criteria or "research objectives" in every message, they will be

sorely disappointed.

7) As for your disagreement "... that reimbursement claims can make the

case for the Peter Sellars boys being home {in Virginia or Pennsylvania}

during the Revolutionary War ...", I think you've missed the point of the

content of the data and misconstrued some of what I stated. First, I was

discussing 3 of Heinrich Zeller's sons, John, Adam, and Peter, and not

"Peter Sellars boys". And, what I stated was a clear OPINION and that I

"view the claims for

reimbursement for items supplied during the American Revolution as SOME

proof that the three Sellers sons were at home during the War". I also made

pointed mention of the fact that there are ZERO Revolutionary War service

records for any of Heinrich's sons. In the face of this, it is my opinion

that Heinrich's sons were most likely not part of any Interpreter detail or

corps for George Washington during the Revolution whether it be 1776 or

beyond.

Is it possible that they WERE Interpreters for Washington in New Jersey?

Well, sure, anything is possible. However, the lack of current

Revolutionary Service records or documents for any of Heinrich's sons leaves

me with my opinion that they weren't. I also include in my opinion a letter

from 1887 written by Adam Sellers' grandson, also named Adam Sellers, who

knew Adam and lived with and around him for a time in Warren County, Ohio

and who wrote a short biographical sketch about grandfather Adam Sellers.

Adam Sellers, the grandson, knew of no Revolutionary War service for not

only his grandfather, Adam Sellers, but also none for Adam's older brother,

John Sellers. Sure, its possible they served, however, I have seen nothing

proffered to show or prove that they did.

8) Is it "pivotal that there were two Michael Sellers" during the time of

the Revolution? Well, of course it is! Your previous message contends that

David Sellars' descendants or researchers claim his father, Peter Sellers,

and David's 3 uncles, "Johannes, Adam and Michael Sellars, all the sons of

Heinrich Zeller," were with George Washington as Interpretors. I pointed

out that, yes, there was indeed a Michael Sellers who served during the

Revolution, however, that Michael Sellers was NOT a son of Heinrich Zeller.

I also pointed out that Heinrich's son, Michael Sellers, settled in the

Melrose, VA, area and did NOT serve. I think it was very pivotal in being

strong evidence that at the very least, Michael Sellers, son of Heinrich

Zeller, did not serve in the Revolution and, therefore, could not have been

with Washington in 1776 whether as an Interpretor or not.

Like I said, its just my opinion that Heinrich's sons didn't serve aside

from giving supplies and such for which they were later reimbursed. For me,

the 1887 letter and the lack of any Revolutionary War records detailing such

service are strong indicators that they did not. Sure, records can be lost,

burned, destroyed, etc. However, with there being nothing in the meantime

even offering a hint of proof of their service, I'll hold onto my opinion

that they didn't until such prove can be uncovered and/or offered.

The rumor of their service is much like the 200+ year old rumor that the

Zeller/Sellers family of America was started by the migration of "Three

brothers from the [German] Motherland ... one settling in Pennsylvania, one

in Maryland, and one in Virginia" with Heinrich Zeller being the supposed

Virginia brother. It is just that ... a rumor ... that has yet to be

confirmed or fully denied. Until proven, it has to lay in the rumor/opinion

bin and cannot be spouted as truth ....

As we continue forward with our sharing of data and info, please keep in

mind that not all are experts nor do they approach the research into the

family as such. For alot of us, its fun, its interesting, and its nice

finding more family and finding pieces to the puzzle(s) we've often thought

were long gone or lost. If there is a need for the discussion to be more

structured, scientific, or with "research objectives" to be followed, then

I'm afraid I won't be as much help as some would hope ....

Now, with that being said, I will include in my next message additional

Sellers-Armentrout connections in Washington County, Tennessee that perhaps

will lend us clues as to whether David Sellars was a son of Peter Sellers

and his reported wife, Catherine Armentrout ....

Michael Sellers

Mike and Amber Sellers [mikeamber@cox.net]

-Original Message-----

From: Rogerscap@aol.com [mailto:Rogerscap@aol.com]

Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 6:06 AM

To: mari@netins.net

Subject: 1844 illness

Marie,

This is a transcript of the original letter I received from Sarah

Broadbent on 12-14-04.

Couldn't get this through as an attachment to SELLERS-L@rootsweb.com and

my computer is not responding to me directive to e-mail you this letter as

an attachment. Si I am transcribing this so I can e-mail the contents of her

letter....the response I sent you several hours ago.

Dear Hal Rogers,

Rogerscap@aol.com

12-14-2004 7:17.59 PM Pacific Standaard Time

From whbsbb@aol.com

I just found your Dec. 9 posting! I have transcript about Nancy Garber in

another reference:

From "Brethren in the New Nation" by Sappington, pg 31

Limestone Creek, Washington County, Tenn. August 12, l838 "old Brother

Michal Garver and his wife Catherine Came to see us the 2 satterday in June

they Live about 15 miles from us on Brush Creek not far from wattaga river

she is a verry large fresh Stout Looking woman she took the fever and th 11

day she died that was the 7 of August she had a daughter maried 2 monts ago

she is very Low no Life Expected her son samuel the preacher is got the

fever and some more of the family has the fever....."

Since all of the other daughters had children after 1838, I surmised that

the daughter mentioned above is Nancy.

It sounds like Samuel and his family and Nancy had been very ill in l838,

as well. I have the bible pages in Samuel's own hand. I will send the death

page as an attachment in another e-mail. It is a large file, and sometimes

doesn't transmit well.

Do you know where Nancy and Lydia and children were when they died (more

specifically that Washington County)? My brother lives about 5 hours from

Jonesboro and said he'd make the trip to try to find the location. Any info

you have would be much appreciated.

I am actually descended from the second wife, Mary Long, through their

daughter Sarah

Garber who married John M. Lutz. My grandmother was their dranddaughter :

Vera Foreman Lutz Ward and the bible pages were in her house before she

died. In l970 I made copies, and now the originals are gone. Thankfully I

made the copies!

It sounds like you are related to the Sellers line. Do you have any

letters or the like, which tell of the cholera?

Thanks so much,

Sarah Broadbent

========

-----Original Message-----

From: Rogerscap@aol.com [mailto:Rogerscap@aol.com]

Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 1:04 AM

To: whbsbb@juno.com; SELLERS-L@rootsweb.com

Subject: {not a subscriber} 1844 illness followup

12-14-2004

Hello Sarah Broadbent

whbsbb@juno.com

No, the Brethren were refering to Nancy's sister Esther Garber {Hilbert}.

Esther Garber was married to Jacob Hilbert on June 3rd, l838 in Washington

County, Tennessee....just as the reference material you have sited states.

The couple had a daughter named Catherine G. Hilbert and she was married to

man with a surname of Carrol.

Michael and Catherine Garber had four sons and four daughter....the

daughters

included Catherine, Nancy {Sellars}, Elizabeth {Neal} and Esther {Hilbert}.

If Catherine married my notes indicate it would have been after the last

will

and testament for her father Michael Garber.Michael died between the date of

5-18-1846 and 5-18-1847 in Washington County, Tennessee.

I want to thank you for sharing the date of death for Catherine Erbaugh

Garber.....I did not have that. The Bible page.....I am so glad you rescued

the

copy before the original was lost.

I worry about that sort of thing and I hope to share everything I can with

others so this will not be a problem.....evermore. I see you carry the same

philosophy as you sent the record without asking......I do the same thing

when I

know it is a sure bet the receiver will naturally want the document. I have

got

carried away however and when attachments get sent to people that do not

know

us they might not open their attachments for fear of a virus.

I am trying to convince one guy right now to drop his e-blockade. Had to

fill

out a request form if you can believe it !!!

I am not sure you will find Nancy Garber Sellars buried with Samuel's

family.

>From what I have understood....Samuel was preaching against the "SIN OF

SLAVERY" and he pissed off a lot of the Tennessee locals. Samuel's sister,

Nancy

Garber Sellars, was married to my 3rd great grandfather David Sellars, and

this

man owned slaves....about three or four if my recollection is correct. I

heard

Samuel was ran out of a few towns because of his anti-slavery sentiments. It

is easier for me to believe that the slaves did indeed "beg to go with David

Sellars to California in 1849" but was that because David was the kindest

task

master they ever knew or because the slaves were "s a v v y " to the

debate

then raging about allowing California to enter the union as a free state. If

were a slave with that information I would be begging to go to California

too

! Maybe being married to a Church of the Brethren member made him a kinder

task master. If there really can be such a beast.

The Garbers had notions that were light years ahead of most of their

neighbors..... in a strange land during a strange time period of our

country. The

country seems hopelessly divided right now in our current equal rights

debates.

You might try the Steven's cemetery in Johnson City, Washington County,

Tennessee. Russell Gibson of the {Gen Forum for Sellers of Rockingham Co,

Virginia} says Peter and Margaret Sellers were buried there. IF Peter is the

father of

David.....the discussion never seems to end......it makes sense that David

would have buried his second wife in that cemetery.

Mike Amber at Mikeamber@cox.net says that another family cemetery.... the

Old

Barnes Cemetery is just outside of Johnson City, Tennessee....he believes

that Peter Sellers is "recorded as having been buried there". I am telling

you

all this because I want your brother to find the graves as much as anyone

!!!!!!

Their are a hell of a lot of people wanting to know what you can

find....believe me. But if you are reading the postings you probably know

all this

already......I am just making sure you are aware of the ramifications of

what your

brother just might discover when he gets into JOHNSON CITY, TENNESSEE. It

would

make sense that some of the Sellers would be buried in this cemetery as

David

Sellars first wife Margaret Barnes Mears {Sellars} was connected to this

family. Be advised however that Mike Amber also states that "he was unable

uncover even the existence of this cemetery nor any records of any kind of

those

buried there. Mike Amber seems to contradict himself on this matter.

I am glad you contacted me Sarah Broadbent.....I would have eventually

located you so you saved me the trouble. I read somewhere that you had this

document....on one of your postings ....maybe on the Gen Forums.....I have

not even

gone back to the sites since I posted....been too busy.

I will suggest a more specific location for Lydia Garber and her

children....... look into the 1840 census for a clue. By cross referencing

the Garber

neighbors you should be able to zero in on a neighbor or two in the 1850

census.

My notes do show that the Garber's were also near Knobb Creek in Washington

County, Tennessee in l834. The Garbers arrived at Knobb Creek in the year of

l834

from Augusta County, Virginia.

My third great grandmother, Nancy Garber, was married to David Sellars on

October 28th, l838 in Washington County, Tennessee and judging from your

reference of the Church of the Brethren this marriage might well have taken

place at

the Garber home near Brush Creek, Washington County, Tennessee. Of course

David

and Nancy were married about eleven weeks after the reference material you

have sited...... it was Esther's wedding on June 3rd, l838 that the

reference

material was pertaining to. Too bad Nancy's mother, Catherine Erbaugh

Garber,

could not have been there for her fourth child's wedding. Nancy would follow

her

mother to the grave less than six years later when she died of the Cholera

epidemic herself on May 12th, l844 in either Washington County or possibly

Carter County, Tennessese....the places have both been sited.

Nancy Garber might have contracted the Cholera from her brother Samuel's

family since the contact would have been there. But the epidemic was so

widespread

that pointing the finger at any source wouldn't make sense. {See Cholera

Epidemic of 1844} on the google service.....it is loaded with material about

this

epidemic. When a related family made their way to California through the

Isthmus of Nicaragua the passengers resorted to throwing bodies over board

the

S.S. Lewis in the last days of December of 1852 and into January of l853

when the

ship finally arrived in San Francisco. It truly was horrible to witness or

a victim of Cholera in those days. It flared up in quite a few states and in

a number of different years. Cholera was brought into California by land and

sea during the pioneer days. I have to give credit to the Catholics here in

California for their bravery in fighting the Cholera epidemic when just

about

everyone else in California did little or nothing.It frightened the people

much.

The earliest Garber family members that I know of were Anabaptists and they

changed their name to Garber after their arrival to the colonies. They were

originally from Berne, Switzerland and settled in William Penn's colony in

Philadelphia. By 1708 the Garbers left the state ran church and started

their own

group....the Old German Baptist Brethren and our Garber family was

instrumental

in setting up the Church of the Brethren in Modesto as well as Salida,

California. This was where David Sellars and Samuel Garber settled. Some of

the

Sellars wagon train drawn by oxen had left Tennessee in l849 and some were

forced

by mishap {wagon slid off the ferry into the Mississippi River} to stay over

Mercer County, Tennessee until 1853 when the journey commenced again.

The Sellars wagon train encountered the local Indians at La Bonta Creek in

the Wyoming Territory and David had his grand daughter stolen from the

Indians

there. The tribe later returned the child to her mother, Mary Adaline

Sellars

{Bohannon}, the fourth child of David Sellars and Margaret Barnes Mears

{Sellars}.

Garberville, in Northern California was also founded by a Garber family

member. The Garbers/Gerbers also brought healthy American babies their first

baby

food diet of Gerber's baby food.

Check out Floyd R. Mason on his account of Niclous Garber and you can find

out more about Floyd's...... Garber books...... on the network service of

google.

I am enjoying the Garber Bible record. The copies I have made are simply

marvelous. Thank you so very much !!! If you go to Sellers-L@rootsweb.com

you

will be able to access a new addition to that site......it is a picture of

David Sellers, Nancy Garbers husband....which I recently provided to all the

Sellars / Sellers family members. I am glad to share it with them......Marie

Hollinger of Iowa tells me there are between 200-300 members to that site

alone.

Didn't realize the audience was so large....should have watched my spelling

carefully !!!

If you are unable to access the picture of David Sellars I can send you

quickly....it is stored in my computer data base.

Wishing you a Merry Christmas Sarah Broadbent,

Yours,

Hal Rogers

Rogerscap@aol.com

Hey Hal and all,

Yep, you've finally gotten me at the correct email. The previous email

addresses of MSellers@acresgaming.com and

mikeamber@lvcm.com are no longer valid. The current correct one is

Mikeamber@cox.net.

I'll answer a few questions from Hal's and Marie's correspondence and, as

promised, provide some additional Sellers-Armentrout connections/marriages

with a Rockingham County, Virginia, to Washington County, Tennessee flavor.

First, no, I never did find the Old Barnes Cemetery in Washington County,

Tennessee. I kept running into great confusion over its name and its

location. Never could determine if the Old Barnes Cemetery was the same or

different from the Stevens Cemetery, and I didn't find a soul that knew of

either one in Washington County, Tennessee. Its not listed in any cemetery

documentation nor listing there either from what I could (or couldn't) find.

The last 'rumor' I heard was that the cemetery, or at least part of it, was

under a supermarket parking lot and most of the stones were gone. There was

some thought by older community members long since deceased that there was

perhaps a Peter Sellers once buried there, but, if so, any gravestone was

long gone and thus the grave was unmarked. However, I don't really hold any

faith in any of it as I've never come across any definite data concerning

its location ...

As for the DNA testing, its a bit confusing to me as well. As I understand

it, the DNA test would not tell us exactly WHO is/was our ancestor but it

would determine whether we indeed SHARED an ancestor or not. If the DNA

test showed that we shared an ancestor, well then I think the likely

connection would be with the David Sellars-Peter Sellers-Heinrich Zeller

link that we are pursuing. If it showed that we do not share an ancestor,

then that's possibly an answer to the riddle for us once and for all as well

....

I'm absolutely thrilled to see so many potential sources of data and

research results from so many who have worked on David Sellars and family.

So good to see positive news and feel good about potential questions being

answered by researched data. What I offer next is info from direct

descendants of Peter Sellers, son of Heinrich Zeller, who not only married

into or had ties with the Armentrouts but also who ended up in Washington

County, Tennessee as did our brick wall, David Sellars. Hopefully, the

David Sellars researchers can look for these people (and find them!) in

their own data with some type of relational connection. If they find them

on the David Sellars side, then we might just have the link we're looking

for between David Sellars - Peter Sellers - Heinrich Zeller. My apologies

if the data is already known. Just trying to offer help and data towards

proving or disproving the link.

Here goes:

Peter Sellers, son of Heinrich Zeller, had a Great Grandson by the name of

Jacob Joseph Sellers (Conrad, Jr., Conrad Sr., Peter Sellers). Born in 1814

in Rockingham County, VA, Jacob married on June 19, 1843 to Priscilla

Armentrout, the d/o Nicholas Armentrout and Esta Eva Beale. Jacob Sellers

and wife Priscilla Armentrout had 5 children in Rockingham County, Virginia,

before "joining a wagon train" where they were dropped off in Washington

County, Tennessee circa 1852. According to Arrington's "Cradled by the

Massanutten", Jacob and Priscilla " ... purchased a home (farm) in the

Leesburg community of Washington County, Tennessee and lived on it until

their deaths. They were first buried in the Lutheran Zion cemetery. Their

son, James Joseph, later moved their bodies to the Fairview Cemetery in

Washington County where he had helped establish that church and the

adjoining cemetery". Once in Washington County, Jacob and Priscilla had 6

more children. The names of their known 11 children were: John, George,

Franklin M., Elizabeth, Eliza R., Robert Perry, Virginia, Serena, Nancy,

Sallie, and James Joseph Sellers. The reason for their migration to

Washington County, Tennesee is unknown except to say that they "already had

family in the area". Whether it was because of Sellers family or because of

Armentrout family is unknown, though I suspect it was Armentrout family

because a Frederick Ermentraudt (Armentrout) had moved from Rockingham

County, VA, to the area around Limestone, Washington County, Tennessee, in

1836. However, if there is a link between Jacob Joseph Sellers, grandson of

Peter Sellers, and the David Sellars in question, it could very well be they

moved there because of Sellers family.

A son of the aforementioned Jacob Joseph Sellers and Priscilla Armentrout,

Franklin M. Sellers, also married into the Armentrouts in Washington County,

Tennessee. Franklin M. Sellers, born in Rockingham County on April 11,

1847, married Mary Catherine Armentrout, the d/o Hiram Armentrout and

Elizabeth Arnold, circa 1865 in Washington County, Tennessee. Hiram

Armentrout was the son of the aforementioned Frederick Ermentraudt

(Armentrout) who had gone from Rockingham County, VA, to Washington County,

TN, in 1836.

Franklin M. Sellers and Mary Catherine Armentrout had 6 children before

Mary's death March 4, 1887, in Washington County, TN. Their children were:

William Hiram, Martha Elizabeth, Philip A., Julia Ann, Joseph Franklin, and

Hattie Sellers.

I'm probably rehashing known data, but perhaps it will help someone. If

researchers of David Sellars recognize any of the Sellers and Armentrouts

mentioned above in Washington County, Tennessee, and find them as relatives,

then perhaps we have a strong clue for the David Sellars as son of Peter

Sellers and Catherine Armentrout question.

Looking forward to the data as it comes in. Hopefully, together, we can

prove this thing one way or the other to the satisfaction of all.

Michael Sellers

----- Original Message -----

From: "marie sellers hollinger" <mari@netins.net>

To: <SELLERS-L@rootsweb.com>

Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 8:07 PM

Subject: [SELLERS] FW: E-mail address inventory and some web sites for

Sellars Family/DAVID SELLERS

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Rogerscap@aol.com [mailto:Rogerscap@aol.com]

> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 5:19 PM

> To: mari@netins.net

> Subject: E-mail address inventory and some web sites for Sellars Family

> From: Hal Rogers at Rogerscap@aol.com

> to: Marie Hollinger at mari@netins.net

> Hello Marie,

> Thanks for keeping me in the news loop.......

> This is great !!! Just the kind of response we need from

> Sellars/Sellers/Zeller family members. I will be mulling over for awhile

> this last e-mail dated 12-13-2004 you sent me from Michael Sellers......I

> contacted MSellers@acresgaming.com when I was in Stockton on 11-24-2004

> having only a few records in front of me. I had found Michael Sellers

with

> an e-mail address of mikeamber@lvcm.com { now obsolete}.... I see it has

> been changed to Mikeamber@cox.net }. This Michael was searching for the

old

> Barnes Family cemetery in Washington County, Tennessee. Did he ever find

> it.....anyone know ? And speaking of cemeteries......Russell Gibson in the

> Genforum for Sellers in Rockingham County, Virginia says that Peter and

> Margaret Sellers were buried in the Steven's Cemetery in what is today

> Johnson City, Washington County, Tennessee. Anyone know anything about

that

> cemetery....are the graves marked?

> I have sent Mike Sellers follow-up e-mails on 12-9 and a picture of

David

> Sellars on 12-12. I am glad to get Mike's feedback any way Mike chooses

> deliver it. Let me clear up the DNA comment for you. When I spoke of DNA I

> wasn't speaking about a DNA test that has been performed. I was simply

> pointing out that our genetic material.....the essence of who we

> are.......and who those Sellars boys were........is one and the same !!!!

> That's all.....no tests......that's why I had to laugh when you asked

about

> a DNA test. Now that Michael has taken the matter seriously......I have to

> admit.......it could be done.....and we do know exactly where David

Sellars

> is buried don't we? Would love to compare his DNA with that of

> Michael's....not sure what the logistics of having our own DNA checked

with

> Michael's....do not know enough about it. This discussion, there is no

> debate going on here,...... we are all having at present.... is a

necessary

> exercise if this Sellars family is going to extract the facts as everyone

> knows them.....not just a few of us sleuths. I am glad to enter the

> "discussion room" at his time. I have not been doing genealogy for years

and

> got along just find without a computer until a few months ago. Had no idea

> how powerful a tool the computer has become for genealogy purposes.

> I have got some feedback from the side of the Sellars family claiming

that

> Margaret Sellers {Stevens} is the daughter of Peter and Catherine

Armentrout

> {Sellars}. Some of the e-mail address sites for this side of the family

have

> turned out obsolete {and they were open accounts just months ago} but I

will

> provide you with an inventory so you can better track the discussion:

> I did hear back from Mary Burnett at mnburnett@sbcglobal.net . Mary

Burnett

> says "The name of Thomas's wife, Margaret Sellers was given to me over 30

> years ago by a Stephen's cousin who has since passed away. She had the

name

> on a group sheet of Henry Stephen/s children. She wasn't researching the

> Sellers line. Where she got the name from I do not know."

> Some of these Stephen's descendants are linking Margaret Sellers as the

> daughter of Peter and Catherine Armentrout Sellers........but not all of

> them. Mary Burnett has not used the linkage to Peter Sellers for her

> Margaret Sellers.

> Am still waiting for replies from other Margaret Sellers descendants

> including

> 1) annette foster@sealedair.com {Annette now has a picture of David

Sellars

> 2)Cindy Cantrell Mears cindy_lou_143@yahoo.com; See notes in # 16 below

> 3)Chris Alexander {was located at marbles@sbcglobal.net address now

> obsolete}

> 4) Carl Wilson at Carl Wilson_va@earthlink.net {sent a request to have

his

> provider drop the block}

> 5) James Palmer at jpal@icansurf.net {His address is now

obsolete....anyone

> know how to reach him?}

> 6) Charles Allen at callen2900@aol.com

> 7) Leo L. Thompson at caverlit@yahoo.com {address obsolete....anyone still

> in touch with Leo ?}

> 8)Gerald Hankins at gerald.h.johnston@cox.net {his address was active on

> 12-08-2004}; Bruce Wilson at bforibook@aol.com {address obsolete ....let

> know if someone has a new e-mail}

> 9) Susanne Forte at Sforte3@cs.com {This address was from Nov 2001 and is

> now obsolete.....I might add that her ancestry.com submittal includes

Peter

> as the father of Maragaret Sellers}

> 10) Mr. Stevens @ stevens@htcomp.net . I have sent Mr. Steven's three

> e-mails and he is excited about the discussion and will be sharing his

data

> with the family shortly he says. This was interesting....he has Margaret

> Sellers born in Washington County, Tennesse in l787 and having died 1847

> Arkansas. Several in this clan are tracing back to Peter Van Schuler

> (Sellers) and Catherine Armentrout....taking the family back to Tjerks

Jansz

> and his wife Styntie Doudes....again check out Ancestry.com for more

> details. They are indeed hooking up to our family of David Sellars. They

> even list James "Mattison" Sellers born February 12, l824 Washington

> Copunty, Tennessee ......James Madison Sellars was the oldest son of David

> Sellars. This Sellers line, according to the notes I copied from

> Ancestry.com have their roots in Emmen Drenthe, Netherlands and Nieuwe

Kerk,

> Amsterdam, Holland. One of them lists two children for Pieter Tjerks Van

> Schuyler and Catherine Armentrout....the submittal says the children were

> David Sellers and Margaret Sellers....check it out !}

> 11)Another Zeller family lists Johan "David" Zeller born 1719 Livingstone,

> Monroe, "NEW YORK" and dying in Tulpehocken, Berks, Pa in l810. His

> children included Margaret Zeller.Anna, Frantz, Anna and John Peter

> Zeller....this Zeller family used to go by the name of De Sellaire.

> Of course the major player in all this is:

> 12) Marie in Iowa who has kept the discussion alive for all these years at

> the web site of http://showcase.netins.net/web/sellers/family and

> 13) I, Hal Rogers, third great grandson of David Sellars, have been trying

> to get the matter of David Sellars parents straightened out..... once and

> for all..... and my e-mail address is Rogerscap@aol.com. I am trying to

> encourage everyone I can to get involved in this discussion now !!! Do it

> now while everyone is coming to the table all at once !!!!!

> 14) Another site is http://www.geneanet.org/ and all of the Gen forums

for

> the states of Tennessee, New York, Virginia, New Jersey, Pennsylvania for

> Sellars family. Jump on board wherever you like and sound off.....

> 15) Nora at Ectocus@rcn.com is a direct descendant of Mary Adaline

> Sellars {Bohannon}, the daughter of David Sellars and is gathering data

for

> that side of the family at present.That branch of the family comes from

> David's first wife, Margaret Barnes Mears who was born sometime between

> 1800-1810 in Virginia. David Sellars was married to her on February 12th,

> l824 in Washington County, Tennessee. Margaret Barnes Mears {Sellars} died

> on February 28th, l835 in Washington County, Tennessee. Definitely would

> like to have the Mears family join into the ongoing discussion.

> 16) Web site http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ notes a connection

> with the Arkansas and Tennessee Mears families

> 17) Leanne Snyder at mlsnyder@swbell.net {address now obsolete}....would

> like to find her too !!!.....Leanne was last found to be working on the

> third wife of David Sellars....her name was Sarah Morris born around 1813

> Tennessee and married to David Sellars on April 20th, l845 in Carter

County,

> Tennessee. Sarah Morris (Sellars) and family headed for California in

1849

> but were held over in Mercer County, Missouri until 1853 when they

finally

> made it over the Oregon Trail to California.

> 18) Judy White was e-mailed regarding the work she was performing on the

> Sellars line....she has the Sellars family starting out for California

from

> Tennessee in 1850.

> 19) Douglas Barnes at dbarn2u@earthlink.net {address obsolete} was

covering

> in Jan of 2004 the family of Peter and Catherine Armentrout Sellers

through

> their son David Sellers and Margaret Barnes "Meyers" Sellers. From David

> Sellars they trace the line to their son, James "Mattison" Sellers, born

> December 5th, l824 and died April 22nd, l920. This is our family member

and

> the tree that they have put together is what this discussion is all about

> ....anyone know where Douglas Barnes can be e-mailed today ? Please do not

> tell me heaven !!!!!

> 20) I am following a hunch that the EASON family might have some data on

the

> Sellars family and will get back to you what I find out from

> Charlene......David's third child through Margaret Barnes Mears {Sellars}

> was a son named John Eason Sellars born June 3rd, l831 in Washington

County,

> Tennessee.

> 21) TJ Barrans at TJBarrans is following the line of John Peter Zeller and

> TJ expresses his concern on Ancestry.com about people plagiarizing his

> data....be advised.

> 22) dspotten@yahoo.com is following the line of John Peter Zeller, also,

> and I am waiting for his reply. I sent him a picture of David Sellars.

> Hope this covers most of the bases at present and I will respond to the

> "discussion" with

> Michael Sellers shortly.

> Yours,

> Hal Rogers

> 12-13-2004

Concerning the origin of David Sellers parentage, a portion of an earlier message from Hal stated:

"8) Has anyone tried looking for the Sellars connection in New York? I have
and there is plenty of evidence to suggest that David's parents were in fact
in New York. David Sellars told us in 1880 to look in New York for his
father.....David Sellars said to look in New Jersey for his mother. That is
where my focus will be."

I took a look at the 1880 Census and it indeed lists his father as being born in NY and his mother in NJ.

But, going a step backward, on the 1870 Census I found what looks to be the household of David Sellers listed in the San Jose Township of Santa Clara County, California. I'm attempting to send a copy of the Census image in PDF format. If unreadable, the household contains the following info:

1870 Census

San Jose Township, Santa Clara County, California

Enumerated August 15, 1870, Page 32

Dwelling #266 - Family #232

Sellers, David, 72, M, W, Farm Laborer, Born VA, Father Foreign born?: No Mother Foreign born?: YES

Sarah, 55, F, W, Keeping House, Born Tennessee

M____ (unreadable), 20, F, W, Keeping House, Born Missouri

Thomas, 9, M, W, California

The interesting thing I see here is that the column stating whether David's mother was "Foreign Born" or not is clearly marked indicating that she was NOT born in America. This appears to fly in the face of the 1880 Census which lists David's mother as being born in New Jersey.

Don't know what to make of it, if anything. Figured the info is/was interesting and felt it was wise to pass it along in case it was of interest.

Michael Sellers

Mike and Amber Sellers [mikeamber@cox.net]

-----Original Message-----

From: Rogerscap@aol.com [mailto:Rogerscap@aol.com]

Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 7:22 PM

To: mikeamber@lvcm.com

Subject: 1870 Census David Sellars and the birthplace of his

mother....Cemeteries in Tn.

Thanks Mike,

It has been about 30 years since I last took a look at the 1870 census for

David Sellars.

Thanks for the copy....it came through fine. Sometimes I attribute the

discrepancies to

the census taker....sometimes to the erroneous information coming from

whoever went to the door to answer the questions........and then sometimes I

am baffled....like we all our from time to time. I had already checked this

record for name and date accuracy....everything checks out perfect.....so I

do not know what to make of it. Perhaps there is something to ponder

here.......perhaps David mentioned the New Jersey residency of his mother in

1880.....and maybe David Sellars did recall for the census taker a foreign

birth in l870.....it doesn't necessarily conflict with anything......I will

keep that research possibility open....thanks for bringing it to my

attention.

Have you seen Marie's posting of the recent correspondance with Sarah

Broadbent ?

Sarah says her brother is going on the quest for the gravesite of David

Sellars parents..........Peter Sellars or whoever ?.......and any Sellars

and related Garber family members for that matter.....

Sarah's brother is scheduling a trip to Washington County, Tn. in order to

go looking at several areas near Johnson City, Tennessee and new information

that the bodies could be located in rural cemeteries near Brush Creek and

Knobb Creek, Washington County, Tennessee.

My own opinion is that the Brush Creek area is where the grave sites are to

be found. The Brethren document sited by Sarah places the Sellars and Garber

families near that site within one year's time of Peter's death. Five years

earlier the Sellars were in the Knobb Creek vicinity.

I need to pick up a Tennessee map and check these places out

myself.....should have done this years ago.......thought someone else would

have done this all by now.....wrong !

Sarah Broadbent's brother will be going to the Johnson City, Tennessee area

in as little as five weeks. I need to climb up in the attic here to find

those two dates of death.....If I remember right the names were Catherine

and Peter {no last name} and the full dates were on this piece of scrap

paper that a descendant of David Sellars and his first wife {Margaret Barnes

Mears, Sellars} gave me back in the 70's. I shared the dates with Arrington

and all she could do was disappointedly sigh......so close but just not

enough information to make a case. I still think she should have published

the two dates but she chose not to. I believe is memory serves me correctly

that the year of death for both individuals was 1839.

I think the Steven's Cemetery and the Barnes Cemetery....regardless of

whether either or both cemeteries are now situated under the parking lot of

a shopping center or a condominium complex ......need to be investigated

further.

Obviously no one is suggesting that a shopping center needs to be dug up

.....it does seem hard to believe that the graves would not have been

relocated....or a token inventory of the markers not placed into the

depository of a local genealogical society. All too often these records

collect dust in local libraries....no one knowing the records have been

preserved......

The answers waiting to be found in Washington County, Tennessee are

many.......when I first discovered your interest in a posting.......I

thought to myself.......finally someone is doing something !!!! Alas....you

appear to have given up the search too soon......a shopping center is not

going to deter those who are determined to find the

information.....information that we all know once existed on those

gravemarkers.

If you can add anything else to the cemetery investigation....we would

appreciate your efforts.

Thanks,

Hal Rogers

========

DEC 20, 2004

Hal,

You're welcome for the Census image. Glad to hear it came through OK. I'm with you in that I don't know what to make of it in the grand overall scheme of trying to determine the origins of birth of David Sellars' mother. Shame we can't hop on the Time Machine and go back and ask them!

I have indeed seen Marie's posting of the recent correspondence with Sarah Broadbent. I'm grateful for Sarah's response and for Marie's posting of it to keep us all in the loop and up-to-date. Just as I was about to respond to your email, I also saw your response concerning the unlikelihood of finding the gravesite of Peter Sellers and Catherine Armentrout at Brush Creek Cemetery or Knob Creek Cemetery. I was going to send you the link to the Washington County Cemeteries page at

http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnwashin/cemetery/cemetery.htm, but I can tell from your email you probably saw it and came to the same conclusion as I ... ie, that a physical finding of their gravestones probably isn't possible. At least, it doesn't look possible from the online transcription of the Knob Creek Cemetery for Washington County. Many of the online transcriptions were taken, I believe, from the work "A History of Washington County, Tennessee, 1988". I think the earlier reports of the gravestones being no longer in existence may prove to be true. Personally, I think you are on the right track in your thinking that they were buried in the Knob Creek vicinity. The only other possibility that I think plausible is perhaps they were buried in the Limestone area where the Armentrouts also had ties. Though the Limestone Creek Congregation was begun in 1846, the fact it was organized by members from Knob Creek, including Solomon Garber, it gives pause to be considered wit!

h the chance to at least be eliminated as a possibility. And, with the Limestone area being heavy with where many Armentrouts ended up, including some with Sellers connections, it wouldn't hurt checking those records as well.

Given that a physical finding of the gravestones is proving elusive, perhaps a check of the actual church records would prove more valuable ...? I'm not familiar with the area nor the churches ... I don't even know if they still exist nor if the records still exist either. But, its my opinion that a search for the church records should be in our list of things "to do" when trying to find evidence of Peter Sellers and Catherine Armentrout. Oft times, the existence of church records are all we have once the physical stones and whatnot are gone. Perhaps you know if anyone has tried locating the church records for Knob Creek and/or Brush Creek ...? But, that's just my opinion. I do agree as well that a definitive answer (and finding) is needed for the Stevens Cemetery and/or Old Barnes Cemetery in this quest. I don't have sufficient knowledge nor data to tell where they might be located much less if they are two separate cemeteries or not. At least, my limited research i!

nto that area didn't turn up any acceptable answers.

As for your statement that I "appear to have given up the search too soon", I wouldn't sell me so short so soon. Given my additions to the conversation, posting of data, findings, sharing of info, etc. I can't see where that gives the appearance of having "given up". You have to keep in mind that I'm a 39 year old husband and a father to a wonderful 2 1/2 year old boy, and I work full-time. Coupled with the fact that I now live 1800 miles away from where we're looking, there's not alot of "direct" research that I can readily do. If I had my choice, I'd do genealogical research full-time and fit "working" into my spare time. But, alas, its not a perfect world, so what I am able to provide will have to suffice for the time being.

I do hope that we will all continue to share what we find, whether positive or not, and can continue the trek together. I'd hate to think that all of this flurry of interest and correspondence will die just as quickly as it arose.

Michael Sellers

======================

=====

1850 SELLERS with NY BIRTHS

Sarah Sellers 56 1793 New York Male District 61, Tyler, VA

Mary E Sellers 27 1822 New York Female District 13, Chatham, GA

Rachael Sellers 34 1815 New Jersey Female Woodburn, Macoupin, IL

Michael Sellers 14 1835 New York Male White District 45, Harrison, IN

Mahala Sellers 29 1820 New Hampshire Female Jackson, Porter, IN

Charles H Sellers 13 1836 New York Male Jackson, Porter, IN

J J Sellers 18 1831 New York Female Jackson, Porter, IN

Eminah Sellers 40 1809 New Jersey Female Columbus City, Louisa, IA

Mary A Sellers 22 1827 New York Female Hillsdale, Hillsdale, MI

Almira Sellers 35 1814 New York Female Deerfield, Livingston, MI

Geo Sellers 21 1828 New York Male Sylvan, Washtenaw, MI

Harriet Sellers 17 1832 New York Female Sylvan, Washtenaw, MI

Mary Jane Sellers 15 1834 New York Female Linden, Washtenaw, MI

Wm H Sellers 13 1836 New York Male Linden, Washtenaw, MI

Mary Sellers 16 1833 New York Female Champion, Jefferson, NY

Katurah Sellers 22 1827 New York Female Tully, Onondaga, NY

Abraham Sellers 44 1805 New York Male Elbridge, Onondaga, NY

Larry Sellers 41 1808 New York Female Elbridge, Onondaga, NY

Henry Sellers 18 1831 New York Male Elbridge, Onondaga, NY

Nathan Sellers 16 1833 New York Male Elbridge, Onondaga, NY

Elizabeth Sellers 14 1835 New York Female Elbridge, Onondaga, NY

Martha Sellers 11 1838 New York Female Elbridge, Onondaga, NY

Levi Sellers 9 1840 New York Male Elbridge, Onondaga, NY

Edward Sellers 7 1842 New York Male Elbridge, Onondaga, NY

Nancy Sellers 6 1843 New York Female Elbridge, Onondaga, NY

Jane Sellers 4 1845 New York Female Elbridge, Onondaga, NY

Frances Sellers 9.12 New York Female Elbridge, Onondaga, NY

Elizabeth Sellers 27 1822 New Jersey Female Chester, Morrow, OH

Margaret Jane Sellers 26 1823 New York Female Bloomfield, Trumbull, OH

Henry Sellers 2 1847 New York Male Milwaukee Ward 3, Milwaukee, WI

Hannah Sellier 37 1812 New York Female Division 8, Leon, FL

Sarah Selders 32 1817 New York Female Township 6 S 2 W, Pike, IL

Mary Sellars 57 1792 New York Female Not Stated, Warren, IL

Anna Sellars 54 1795 New Jersey Female Union, Montgomery, IN

Fredericka Cellar 3 1846 New York Female Boston Ward 10, Suffolk, MA

Major Seller 28 1821 New York Male Lansing, Ingham, MI

George Cellar 25 1824 New York Male Madison, Lenawee, MI Francis Sellier 40 1809 New Jersey Female Bethlehem, Hunterdon, NJ

Mary Sellier 15 1834 New Jersey Female Bethlehem, Hunterdon, NJ

John Cellar 4 1845 New York Male Warren, Somerset, NJ

George Cellar 12 1837 New York Male Warren, Somerset, NJ

Michael Cellar 8 1841 New Jersey Male Warren, Somerset, NJ

Eliza Cellar 5 1844 New Jersey Female Warren, Somerset, NJ

Mary Cellar 3 1846 New Jersey Female Warren, Somerset, NJ

Mary R Seller 3 1846 New York Female Black Bethlehem, Albany, NY

Catharine Seller 1 1848 New York Female Black Bethlehem, Albany, NY

Isaac Seller 45 1804 New York Male Fishkill, Dutchess, NY

Hannah Seller 50 1799 New York Female Fishkill, Dutchess, NY

Maria W Seller 46 1803 New York Female Fishkill, Dutchess, NY

Eliza Seller 35 1814 New York Female Fishkill, Dutchess, NY

Louisa M Seller 35 1814 New York Female Fishkill, Dutchess, NY

Morris Seller 50 1799 New York Male Clinton, Dutchess, NY

John J Seller 54 1795 New York Male Clinton, Dutchess, NY

Catharine Seller 53 1796 New York Female Clinton, Dutchess, NY

Isaac A Seller 18 1831 New York Male Clinton, Dutchess, NY

John J Seller 14 1835 New York Male Clinton, Dutchess, NY

Sarah Cellar 18 1831 New York Female North Dansville, Livingston,

Margaret Seller 14 1835 New York Female Rochester Ward 9, Monroe, NY

John Seller 12 1837 New York Male Rochester Ward 9, Monroe, NY

Hannah Seller 13 1836 New York Female New York Ward 10, New York, NY

Mary Seller 2 1847 New York Female New York Ward 12, New York, NY

Abram Seller 42 1807 New York Male New York Ward 15 Western half, New York, NY

Eliza Seller 36 1813 New York Female New York Ward 15 Western half, New York, NY

Mary Seller 18 1831 New York Female New York Ward 15 Western half, New York, NY

Eliza Jane Seller 14 1835 New York Female New York Ward 15 Western half, New York, NY

Charles Seller 5 1844 New York Male New York Ward 15 Western half, New York, NY

Franklin Seller 1 1848 New York Male New York Ward 15 Western half, New York, NY

Richard Seller 36 1813 New York Male New York Ward 15 Western half, New York, NY

John Seller 24 1825 New York Male New York Ward 15 Eastern half, New York, NY

William M Cellars 23 1826 New York Male New York Ward 16 District 1, New York, NY

Elizabeth Cellars 23 1826 New York Female New York Ward 16 District 1, New York, NY

William Cellars 9.12 New York Male New York Ward 16 District 1, New York, NY

Catherine Seller 1 1848 New York Female New York Ward 17, New York, NY

Amelia Seller 3 1846 New York Female New York Ward 17, New York, NY

Barbara J Seller 1 6.12 New York Female New York Ward 17, New York, NY

Theodore Seller 3.12 New York Male New York Ward 17, New York, NY

Augustus Sellard 11 1838 New York Female New York Ward 18 District 2, Carolin Selder 15 1834 New York Female Utica Ward 5, Oneida, NY

William Seller 24 1825 New York Male Addison, Steuben, NY

John Celler 16 1833 New York Male Avoca, Steuben, NY

Phebe V Cellar 30 1819 New York Female Liberty, Delaware, OH

Eveline C Cellars 41 1808 New York Female Liberty, Delaware, OH

Elizabeth Cellars 44 1805 New York Female Liberty, Delaware, OH

John Sellars 23 1826 New Jersey Male Sugar Creek, Greene, OH

Matilda A Sellars 22 1827 New York Female Morgan, Knox, OH

Mary Sellars 39 1810 New Jersey Female Union, Warren, OH

Louis H Sellars 18 1831 New York Male Spring Garden Ward 7, Philadelphia, PA

John Sellard 37 1812 New Jersey Male Richmond, Philadelphia, PA

Mary Sellard 37 1812 New Jersey Female Richmond, Philadelphia, PA

Letyeann Sellard 9 1840 New Jersey Female Richmond, Philadelphia, PA

Florrance Sellard 7 1842 New Jersey Male Richmond, Philadelphia, PA

William Sellard 5 1844 New Jersey Male Richmond, Philadelphia, PA

Samuel Celler 3 1846 New York Male Columbia, Richland, SC

NONE IN VA???

1880 CENSUS SELLERS WITH NY PARENTS =

Ellen SELLERS Toledo, Lucas, OH 45 <1835> NEW YORK Female Wife

1880 CENSUS SELLERS WITH NY BIRTHS

William SELLERS Signal, Mohave, AZ 37 <1843> New York Male Self

E. E. SELLERS Pima, AZ 32 <1848> New Mexico Territory Male Other

Sarah A. SELLERS Township 5, Contra Costa, CA 48 <1832> New Hampshire Female Wife

Emaline B. SELLERS St. Georges, New Castle, DE 41 <1839> New York Female Wife

Ann E. SELLERS Fillmore, Montgomery, IL 48 <1832> New Jersey Female Wife

Nancy A. SELLERS Rose Grove, Hamilton, IA 78 <1802> New York Female Mother

Margaret SELLERS Keokuk, Lee, IA 51 <1829> New York Female Wife

Polly SELLERS Albia, Monroe, IA 75 <1805> New York Female Mother

Thomas J. SELLERS Highland, Wapello, IA 33 <1847> New York Male Self

Caroline SELLERS Brown, Edwards, KS 39 <1841> New Jersey Female Wife

Mary Ann SELLERS Osborne, Osborne, KS 40 <1840> New York Female Wife

Harriette SELLERS New Orleans, Orleans, LA 68 <1812> New Jersey Female Self

Sarah A. SELLERS Convis, Calhoun, MI 47 <1833> New Jersey Female Wife

Kate SELLERS Lansing, Ingham, MI 30 <1850> New York Female Wife

Andrew SELLERS Webberville, Ingham, MI 24 <1856> New York Male Other

Edward SELLERS Jackson, Jackson, MI 56 <1824> New York Male Self

Olive L. SELLERS Holmes, Mackinac, MI 36 <1844> New York Female Wife

Bettie A. SELLERS Lyndon, Washtenaw, MI 38 <1842> New York Female Wife

George SELLERS Lyndon, Washtenaw, MI 51 <1829> New York Male Self

Bertie SELLERS Detroit, Wayne, MI 8 <1872> New Jersey Male Son Frank SELLERS Detroit, Wayne, MI 27 <1853> New York Female Wife

Addie F. SELLERS Mason, Murray, MN 23 <1857> New York Female Wife

Rachel R. SELLERS Pine City, Pine, MN 33 <1847> New York Female Wife

F. SELLERS Warrensburg, Johnson, MO 38 <1842> New York Male Self

Rachel SELLERS St. Louis, St. Louis, MO 75 <1805> New York Female Self

Joseph SELLERS Newark, Essex, NJ 32 <1848> New York Male Self

John SELLERS Poughkeepsie, Dutchess, NY 26 <1854> New York Male Other

Anna SELLERS Buffalo, Erie, NY 29 <1851> New York Female Wife

Eddie SELLERS Buffalo, Erie, NY 1M <1880> New York Male Son Fred SELLERS Buffalo, Erie, NY 29 <1851> New York Male Self

George SELLERS Buffalo, Erie, NY 3 <1877> New York Male Son

George SELLERS Buffalo, Erie, NY 1 <1879> New York Male GSon

Gracie SELLERS Buffalo, Erie, NY 3 <1877> New York Female GDau

Mattie SELLERS Buffalo, Erie, NY 24 <1856> New York Female Dau

Kate SELLERS Burke, Franklin, NY 20 <1860> New York Female Dau

Mary SELLERS Burke, Franklin, NY 22 <1858> New York Female Dau

George SELLERS Lenox, Madison, NY 11 <1869> New York Male Son

Laura SELLERS Lenox, Madison, NY 8 <1872> New York Female Dau

John SELLERS Lenox, Madison, NY 25 <1855> New York Male Other

Ida Arabel SELLERS Kings (Brooklyn), New York City-Greater, NY 3 <1877> New York Female Dau

Jessie M. SELLERS Kings (Brooklyn), New York City-Greater, NY 5M <1880> New York Female Dau

John H. G. SELLERS Kings (Brooklyn), New York City-Greater, NY 14 <1866> New York Male Son

Oscar K. SELLERS Kings (Brooklyn), New York City-Greater, NY 7 <1873> New York Male Son

Walter J. SELLERS Kings (Brooklyn), New York City-Greater, NY 5 <1875> New York Male Son

William H. SELLERS Kings (Brooklyn), New York City-Greater, NY 44 <1836> New York Male Self

William T. SELLERS Kings (Brooklyn), New York City-Greater, NY 12 <1868> New York Male Son

Franklin P. SELLERS Kings (Brooklyn), New York City-Greater, NY 33 <1847> New Jersey Male Self

Arthur SELLERS Kings (Brooklyn), New York City-Greater, NY 4 <1876> New York Male Son

Georg SELLERS Kings (Brooklyn), New York City-Greater, NY 10 <1870> New York Male Son James SELLERS Kings (Brooklyn), New York City-Greater, NY 35 <1845> New York Male Self

John SELLERS Kings (Brooklyn), New York City-Greater, NY 12 <1868> New York Male Son

Kaddy SELLERS Kings (Brooklyn), New York City-Greater, NY 32 <1848> New York Female Wife

Lilli SELLERS Kings (Brooklyn), New York City-Greater, NY 8 <1872> New York Female Dau

Samuel SELLERS Kings (Brooklyn), New York City-Greater, NY 2 <1878> New York Male Son

Willi SELLERS Kings (Brooklyn), New York City-Greater, NY 6 <1874> New York Male Son

Eva SELLERS Kings (Brooklyn), New York City-Greater, NY 7 <1873> New York Female Dau

Harriet SELLERS New York (Manhattan), New York City-Greater, NY 6 <1874> New Jersey Female Other

A. Jane SELLERS New York (Manhattan), New York City-Greater, NY 28 <1852> New York Female Dau

M. Elizabeth SELLERS New York (Manhattan), New York City-Greater, NY 23 <1857> New Jersey Female Dau

Thomas SELLERS Port Jervis, Orange, NY 13 <1867> New York Male GSon

Edward SELLERS Gouverneur, St. Lawrence, NY 9 <1871> New York Male Son

Eliza SELLERS Gouverneur, St. Lawrence, NY 25 <1855> New York Female Dau

Eva SELLERS Gouverneur, St. Lawrence, NY 1 <1879> New York Female Dau

Fredrick SELLERS Gouverneur, St. Lawrence, NY 12 <1868> New York Male Son

George W. SELLERS Gouverneur, St. Lawrence, NY 26 <1854> New York Male Self

John SELLERS Gouverneur, St. Lawrence, NY 16 <1864> New York Male Son

Mattie SELLERS Gouverneur, St. Lawrence, NY 7 <1873> New York Female Dau

Elmore SELLERS Groton, Tompkins, NY 32 <1848> New York Male Self

Robt. D. SELLERS Sing Sing, Westchester, NY 21 <1859> New York Male Other Eliza SELLERS Chagrin Falls, Cuyahoga, OH 25 <1855> New York Female Wife

Aurellia SELLERS Xenia, Greene, OH 34 <1846> New Jersey Female Wife

Ellen SELLERS Toledo, Lucas, OH 45 <1835> NEW YORK Female Wife

George W SELLERS Toledo, Lucas, OH 49 <1831> NEW YORK Male Self

Jane SELLERS Bloomfield, Trumbull, OH 56 <1824> New York Female Other

Tillie M. SELLERS Wooster, Wayne, OH 47 <1833> New Jersey Female Wife

Elmira SELLERS Pittsburgh, Allegheny, PA 32 <1848> New York Female Wife

James SELLERS Millerstown, Butler, PA 38 <1842> New York Male Self

Jacob SELLERS Highland, Clarion, PA 15 <1865> New York Male Other

Georgie A. SELLERS Philadelphia, Philadelphia, PA 31 <1849> New Jersey Female Wife

Katie SELLERS Philadelphia, Philadelphia, PA 22 <1858> New York Female Wife

James C. SELLERS Philadelphia, Philadelphia, PA 26 <1854> New Jersey Male Self

Francis M. SELLERS Philadelphia, Philadelphia, PA 26 <1854> New Jersey Male Son

Jno. H. SELLERS Philadelphia, Philadelphia, PA 16 <1864> New Jersey Male Son

Lydia M. SELLERS Philadelphia, Philadelphia, PA 20 <1860> New Jersey Female Dau

Mary E. SELLERS Philadelphia, Philadelphia, PA 29 <1851> New Jersey Female Dau

Phoebe SELLERS Philadelphia, Philadelphia, PA 56 <1824> New Jersey Female Self

Farson SELLERS Precinct 4, Colorado, TX 21 <1859> New York Male Son

Robert H. SELLERS Lexington, Rockbridge, VA 22 <1858> New York Male Son

John SELLERS Milwaukee, Milwaukee, WI 34 <1846> New York Male Self Alice A. SELLERS Plover, Portage, WI 25 <1855> New York Female Wife

John SELLERS Plover, Portage, WI 35 <1845> New York Male Self

Samuel CELLER Merced, Merced, CA 32 <1848> New York Male Self

John SELLER Stonington, New London, CT 7 <1873> New York Male Son

Manuel SELLER Stonington, New London, CT 5 <1875> New York Male Son

Peter SELDER Davison, DT 28 <1852> New York Male BroL

George SELLARD Bonus, Boone, IL 39 <1841> New York Male Self

Harry CELLER Chicago, Cook, IL 19 <1861> New York Male Son

Henry SELLARS Chicago, Cook, IL 31 <1849> New York Male Brother

Sarah SELDERS Pitman, Montgomery, IL 64 <1816> New York Female MotherL

Jonah SELLER Newbern, Dickinson, KS 38 <1842> New York Male Self

Delia SELDERS Stranger, Leavenworth, KS 40 <1840> New York Female Wife

Mary SELLAR Baltimore, Baltimore, MD 50 <1830> New York Female Wife

... CELLEER Ortonville, Oakland, MI 17 <1863> New York Female Dau

Franklin CELLEER Ortonville, Oakland, MI 10 <1870> New York Male Son

William J CELLEER Ortonville, Oakland, MI 12 <1868> New York Male Son

George CELLER Ortonville, Oakland, MI 9 <1871> New York Male Son

John SEHLER Chester, Ottawa, MI 32 <1848> New York Male Self

Lidia SEHLER Chester, Ottawa, MI 25 <1855> New York Female Sister

Jacob CELLER St. Louis, St. Louis, MO 24 <1856> New York Male Other

John SELLARS Arago, Richardson, NE 64 <1816> New York Male Self

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Mary E Sellers 27 1822 New York Female District 13, Chatham, GA

Rachael Sellers 34 1815 New Jersey Female Woodburn, Macoupin, IL

Michael Sellers 14 1835 New York Male White District 45, Harrison, IN

Mahala Sellers 29 1820 New Hampshire Female Jackson, Porter, IN

Charles H Sellers 13 1836 New York Male Jackson, Porter, IN

J J Sellers 18 1831 New York Female Jackson, Porter, IN

Eminah Sellers 40 1809 New Jersey Female Columbus City, Louisa, IA

Mary A Sellers 22 1827 New York Female Hillsdale, Hillsdale, MI

Almira Sellers 35 1814 New York Female Deerfield, Livingston, MI

Geo Sellers 21 1828 New York Male Sylvan, Washtenaw, MI

Harriet Sellers 17 1832 New York Female Sylvan, Washtenaw, MI

Mary Jane Sellers 15 1834 New York Female Linden, Washtenaw, MI

Wm H Sellers 13 1836 New York Male Linden, Washtenaw, MI

Mary Sellers 16 1833 New York Female Champion, Jefferson, NY

Katurah Sellers 22 1827 New York Female Tully, Onondaga, NY

Abraham Sellers 44 1805 New York Male Elbridge, Onondaga, NY

Larry Sellers 41 1808 New York Female Elbridge, Onondaga, NY

Henry Sellers 18 1831 New York Male Elbridge, Onondaga, NY

Nathan Sellers 16 1833 New York Male Elbridge, Onondaga, NY

Elizabeth Sellers 14 1835 New York Female Elbridge, Onondaga, NY

Martha Sellers 11 1838 New York Female Elbridge, Onondaga, NY

Levi Sellers 9 1840 New York Male Elbridge, Onondaga, NY

Edward Sellers 7 1842 New York Male Elbridge, Onondaga, NY

Nancy Sellers 6 1843 New York Female Elbridge, Onondaga, NY

Jane Sellers 4 1845 New York Female Elbridge, Onondaga, NY

Frances Sellers 9.12 New York Female Elbridge, Onondaga, NY

Elizabeth Sellers 27 1822 New Jersey Female Chester, Morrow, OH

Margaret Jane Sellers 26 1823 New York Female Bloomfield, Trumbull, OH

Sarah Sellers 56 1793 New York Male District 61, Tyler, VA

Henry Sellers 2 1847 New York Male Milwaukee Ward 3, Milwaukee, WI

Hannah Sellier 37 1812 New York Female Division 8, Leon, FL

Sarah Selders 32 1817 New York Female Township 6 S 2 W, Pike, IL

Mary Sellars 57 1792 New York Female Not Stated, Warren, IL

Anna Sellars 54 1795 New Jersey Female Union, Montgomery, IN

Fredericka Cellar 3 1846 New York Female Boston Ward 10, Suffolk, MA

Major Seller 28 1821 New York Male Lansing, Ingham, MI

George Cellar 25 1824 New York Male Madison, Lenawee, MI

Francis Sellier 40 1809 New Jersey Female Bethlehem, Hunterdon, NJ

Mary Sellier 15 1834 New Jersey Female Bethlehem, Hunterdon, NJ

John Cellar 4 1845 New York Male Warren, Somerset, NJ

George Cellar 12 1837 New York Male Warren, Somerset, NJ

Michael Cellar 8 1841 New Jersey Male Warren, Somerset, NJ

Eliza Cellar 5 1844 New Jersey Female Warren, Somerset, NJ

Mary Cellar 3 1846 New Jersey Female Warren, Somerset, NJ

Mary R Seller 3 1846 New York Female Black Bethlehem, Albany, NY

Catharine Seller 1 1848 New York Female Black Bethlehem, Albany, NY

Isaac Seller 45 1804 New York Male Fishkill, Dutchess, NY

Hannah Seller 50 1799 New York Female Fishkill, Dutchess, NY

Maria W Seller 46 1803 New York Female Fishkill, Dutchess, NY

Eliza Seller 35 1814 New York Female Fishkill, Dutchess, NY

Louisa M Seller 35 1814 New York Female Fishkill, Dutchess, NY

Morris Seller 50 1799 New York Male Clinton, Dutchess, NY

John J Seller 54 1795 New York Male Clinton, Dutchess, NY

Catharine Seller 53 1796 New York Female Clinton, Dutchess, NY

Isaac A Seller 18 1831 New York Male Clinton, Dutchess, NY

John J Seller 14 1835 New York Male Clinton, Dutchess, NY

Sarah Cellar 18 1831 New York Female North Dansville, Livingston, NY