I am in search of information regarding Rachel Sellers, b.
1876, in Philadelphia Pennsylvania; married George William Rysdale b. Nov
1875 in New Jersey. They were apparently married before the census of 1900.
They had as far as I can find, one child, a son George Burton Rysdale b.
1913 in Philadelphia. His birth certificate was not filed until 1942, and
it was signed by his Aunt Emily Jane Rysdale and a school official.
Burton was orphaned and raised by Aunt Emily, who never married. I don't
know when or under what circumstances their deaths occured.
Does anyone know where this Rachel came from? I know there were Rachels
the Coleman Sellers line, and thought there may be kinship there if she was
named after the Rachel who died in 1870.
I am trying to get the official records in PA and Philly, but am
certain that I will get anything back.
If anyone has come across this Sellers marriage, or perhaps death records
(I think that they may have died in the influenza outbreak) I would
appreciate any help I can get.
Would appreciate copy of the 1900 census extraction on this family,
any neighbors, TOWNSHIP they lived in. Aunt Emily on this same census?
Any info may help. THANKS for sharing, marie, iowa
I hand copied the data from the index film (I noted index film #
from FHS 1248158), so here it is:
1900 Pennsylvania Census, County: Philadelphia; Twnshp: Philadelphia
Vol. 180; Enumeration District 684; Sheet 3, line 24.
House Number: 2034
Rysdale, George W.; color:W; Sex:M; Mo of Birth: Nov; Year of B:
1875; Age:25; Place of Birth: New
Rysdale, Ray; Rel:W; MoB: Jan; YoB: 1876; Age:24; PofB: Penn
--------, Emily J; Rel:Si; MoB: Apr; YoB: 1878; Age:22; PofB:NJ
I'm not certain on spelling for the first name on the following, it was difficult to read:
Brighton, Arnie?; Rel:Bo; MoB: May; YoB: 1873; Age: 27; PoB: Penn
As I look at this I realize that I needed to request the actual census
film and forgot to do so. Unless you
Also; here is the entry from Ancestry.com for 1910 Census Index.
Search Terms: RYSDALE (2), GED (12)
Database: Pennsylvania 1910 Census Miracode Index
Combined Matches: 1
Ged W Rysdale Age: 34
State: PA Color:W Enumeration
Birth Place: New Jersey Visit: 0108
County: Philadelphia, Philadelphia
Relation: Head of Household
Wife Ray 34, Pennsylvania
Sister Emily 31, New Jersey
"Sherri Hall" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>From the actual images of the 1900 Pennsylvania census that Mary
Address: 2034 Hagert (possibly Stagert) street, Block F; household
Rysdale, George W., head of household, white, male, born Nov. 1875;
age 25; married 2 years; born New Jersey, father born England, mother
born England; occupation, clerk; yes, can read; yes, can write;
can speak English; home is rented, is a house.
Rysdale, Ray, wife, white, female, born Jan. 1876; age
years; mother of 0 children (0 children still alive); born
Pennsylvania, father born Pennsylvania, mother born
Pennsylvania; (no occupation given); yes, can read; yes,
write; yes, can speak English.
Rysdale, Emily J., sister, white, female, born Apr. 1878;
single; born New Jersey; father born England; mother born England;
occupation, stenographer; yes, can read; yes, can write; yes, can speak
Brighton, Annie, boarder, white, female, born May,
single; born Pennsylvania, father born Pennsylvania; mother born
Pennsylvania; occupation, stenographer; yes, can read; yes, can write;
yes, can speak English.
MAY have 1900 Index, IF you have NAMES.
THANKS, for sharing, marie, iowa
George William and Rachel Rysdale had at least one child - George
Rysdale, b.1913 - d.1971 who was our grandfather.
If any of this helps or if you come across my John and Ellen/ Helen
let me know.
Please, if anyone knows of a Rachel Sellers who married George William
Rysdale, please let me know. George William Rysdale was born in Newark, New
Jersey in 1875 and they were married about 1898. Their son George Burton
Rysdale was born in 1913, but orphaned "when young".
I have not had success in finding Rachel or George William Rysdales deaths.
Thank you for any advice or leads you can offer.
QUESTION = is CITY of PHIL same as COUNTY of PHIL on birth records?
Sherry sent us/you this census =
"Sherri Hall" <email@example.com>
>From the actual images of the 1900 Pennsylvania census that Mary
NOW, when I look at this now. RAY SELLERS RYSDALE born ca 1876 PA
parents born PA
and the Boarder living with them =
ANNIE BRIGHTON born ca 1873 PA and both parents born PA
makes me think of possibility of SISTERS
NOW in 1880 PHIL , PA =SAVERY STREET (soundex film)
FRANK SELLERS 8 PA
ANNIE SELLERS 7 PA
EMMA SELLERS 5 PA
ELLA SELLERS 3 PA (we don't know RACHELS full name! and RAY ELLA is kinda
COULD someone get us a complete census reading on this? I believe
all kids, ?
(on soundex, EACH child is listed individually living with , etc)
but, don't have his wife's name, WHICH we need to prove WHO married a SELLERS .
THANKS for any/all help, marie, iowa
researching Rachel/Ray Sellers in Philadelphia PA
I've just subscribed to this list. I am completely new to English genealogy
research - although I've gotten somewhere in the US.
My jump across the pond occurred last week when I found the marriage of my
husband's gggrandparents. They were John Rysdale (1828-after1880?) and Ellen
Fisher (1845-before 1896?). According to the Newark, New Jersey census of
1870, they were born in England, and had a new baby girl, Bertha, born in
May of 1870.
A marriage record in the Parish of Manchester was found with the
matching, so I think it is them. That record reads:
Marriage solemnized at the (?)Cath + Parish Church in the Parish
Manchester in the County of Lancaster.
When Married: May 18th, 1868;
Name and Surname (Age): John Rysdale (39), Ellen Fisher (22);
Condition: Bachelor, Spinster;
Rank or Profession: (John's) Painter, (none given for Ellen)
Residence at the time of Marriage: (both listed the same) 35 Chester St.
Father's Name and Surname (Rank or Profession of Father): William Rysdale
(shoemaker), George Fisher (Pork Butcher)
Married in the above church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the
Established Church by ____(left blank) or after Banns by me, (terribly hard
to figure: MM Westmore Minorcasson.
This Marriage was solemnized between us (signed by) John Rysdale, Ellen
in the Presence of us (signed by) A Hodson, (unsure of initials) M A Baily
Can anyone tell me what the "Cath+" or "Cash+" in the first line
it common for newlyweds to list their new address?
This marriage record, combined with a suspicion that the William
be the same I found in the IGI as a family of William and Ann Rysdale with
children George, Edward, John, Jane and Ann, is all I have to go on.
Anyone have any suggestions of which records I should start with?
I am using
the LDS library in my town, but I'm still terribly new at all this.
John and Ellen must have come to America the year after they were
and so far I've found they had Bertha A.(1870-), George William (1875-) and
Emily Jane(1879-). I don't really know what happened to any of them. Bertha
and George signed Emily's autograph book in 1889 or 1890, and were probably
living in Philadelphia Pennsylvania. George married in 1898 in Philadelphia
to Rachel Sellers, known as Ray Sellers. The only child of theirs that I
know of was George Burton Rysdale (1913-1971), known as Burton, who was
supposedly orphaned and raised by Aunt Emily. Burton was my husband's
grandfather. Burton was raised in Philadelphia.
Santa Cruz County, California
"Mary Rysdale" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Well, I received my copies of the marriage license and certificate
Unfortunately, I did not learn some crucial information.
Underscores indicate a blank that was filled in (or not if __ appears)
Transcription of the license is as follows:
June 16, 1898
I, _Charles F Hendricks_ hereby certify that on the _fifteenth_ day of
_June_ one thousand eight hundred and ninety _eight_ at Philadelphia _George
W. Rysdale_ and _Ray Sellers_ were by me united in marriage, in accordance
with License issued by the Clerk of the Orphans' Court of Philadelphia
County, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, numbered _103844_.
(signed) _Chas F. Hendricks_
Minister of the Gospel, Justice of the Peace or Magistrate.
(At the bottom in fine print it reads:) This Duplicate Certificate to be
returned to the Clerk of the Orphans' Court, Room No. 417, City Hall, within
thirty days after the solemnizing of said marriage, under a penalty of Fifty
The Transcription of the application is as follows:
State of Pennsylvania,
PHILADELPHIA COUNTY, ss.
Personally appeared _George Wm Rysdale_ who hereby requests the Clerk
Orphans' Court, for the said County, to issue a License for the Marriage of
_himself_ to _Ray Sellers_ and who, being duly _sworn_ according to law,
doth depose and say: that _he_ was born in _Newark. N. J._ , on the _2nd_
day of _Nov_ A.D18_74_, that he resides at _No 1424 Borie Ave._; that he _Is
by_ occupation _Salesman_; that he is _not_ related by blood or marriage to
the person whom he desires to marry; that he as _not_ been __ married
before, that _Ray Sellers_ whom _he_ is about to marry, was born in _Philada
Pa._ (I take this to be abbreviation of Philadelphia) on the _(left blank)_
day of _23 years old_ A.D. 18__; that she resides at _No. 2624 Colorado St.
Ph., no_ occupation; that she has _not_ been __married before, that he knows
of no reason why the said marriage may not be lawfully made.
_Sworn_ and subscribed before me, this _13th_ day of _June_ A.D.
(illegible signature) JSBorg? Asst Clerk of Orphans Court
(signed) George Wm. Rysdale
Any comments on why "Ray" is used instead of her (presumably) "proper"
I also find it peculiar that her birthdate was unknown. Unfortunately, no
parents names are recorded, nor does this say WHERE the marriage took
I wonder if this ORPHAN court license means a record thro Orphan
were ALL licenses granted thru there?
IF SO, there could be Orphan court records for her and her family? Most of
the addresses to write to for info is on the PA USGENWEB page and I'm sure you
RAY, probably a nickname for RACHAEL? maybe her mom's name Rachael
called her Ray to tell the diff?
We have the DAVID SELLERS/RACHAEL COLEMAN marriage. Does ANYONE have a chart
of them and their kids? I'm sure they And their children named their kids
THANKS for sharing and we will Continue! marie, iowa
I would truly love to find the line of Rachel Coleman and David Sellers
descendents, as well as the Franklin and Cornelius (brothers) Sellers who
lived in Philadelphia in the 1800s. The timing of their families is such
that I think they may be good candidates as well.
Does anyone on this list have the 1880census or index for Philadelphia?
Please let me know if you are willing to do lookups.
MARY, the 1880 Phil Co, PA census is at ancestry.com
We have the or some of the 1880 soundex Phil, PA posted at
This also shows = I believe/memory/ David Sellers ? wife Rachael
living in Dauphin Co, Pa? If you piece together anything, advise.
Researching the RYSDALE family which came via England (1868) and New Jersey
(1870-1879) to Philadelphia (by 1889 or before): John Rysdale b. abt 1828
married in Manchester, Ellen Fisher b. abt 1845 both of England, moved to
Newark New Jersey and had children Bertha A. (1870), George William (1874 or
1875), Emily Jane (1879).
Family moved to Philadelphia, but don't know if John died prior or after
move. In 1890 Phila city directory, "Helen, wid. of John" is listed on
By the 1896 directory Helen isn't listed, but George is.
In 1898 George William marries Ray SELLERS.
They are enumerated in the 1900 and 1910 censuses, with Emily living with
In 1913, George Burton Rysdale is born to George and Ray.
An unknown short time later, he is orphaned, and raised by his Aunt Emily.
George William is listed with a variety of occupations, moving from
salesman to piano maker to cabinet maker.
Does this family connect or ring bells with anyone?
NOW, when I went to Ancestry.com ?
I WENT to page 9, E.D. 330 on 1880 film = thats all I wrote down.
SOMEONE sent us some nice hints on using these census, not too long ago. THANKS.
HOPE, it helps.
Mary Rysdale wrote:
Marie - this looks like a good lead - can you give me an ED and ward # byHi listers-
any chance? I'd like to look at it at images online.
1880 PHIL CO, PA
t9-1189, page 280a
CHARLES SELLERS 37 PA
JANE 36 PA
HENRY 16 DE
ROBERT 13 PA
CHARLOTTE 11 PA
FRANCES 8 PA (sorry forgot the sex)
RACHEL 6 PA
JOHN A. 5MONTHS PA
T9-1175, PAGE 423C
GEO RYSDALE 6 PA,
living? with SARAH LOOKES
THIS LOOKS LIKE A SCHOOL, ETC?
T9-1174, PAGE 359A
ELLEN RYSDALE 32 ENG
EMMA JANE RYSDALE 3 PA
JAMES TODD 37 IRELAND
Hopefully, these numbers will allow you to find them on the 1880 census film at