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LuJuana Lipscomb [txcuz@webtv.net] dec 2009
txcuz31@hotmail.com (dec 2009?)
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(txcux@msn.com Nov 2009?)

  Lu Juana Cartwright Lipscomb, gr gnddtr of
John Randolph Sellers, b. 2/26/1857<



feb 26, 2003
 txcuz@msn.com or txcuz@hotmail.com.



 JOHN RANDOLPH SELLERS 1857 - 1938



JOHN RANDOLPH 1857-1938 DEATH CERTIFICATE



Wedding photo-DeKalb, TX -July 17,1898
James Ethel & Oren Chasteen 1898
Left to right:  Jim Chasteen, Ida Belle Sellers, Oren Chasteen, Mary Elizabeth Sellers

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J. R. SELLERS AND GRANDCHILDREN

Jan 23, 2009 = Saturday is my 78th B.D. Wife is Sophronia Jane Raleigh 1861-March 1933, b. Hempstead Co., AR. They m. Dec 4, 1889 and lived all their lives in Bowie Co. The smaller girl standing in front is my only sibling, deceased 2003. Margie and Billy Sellers are my cousins. I believe our gr-grandfathers were brothers.

OBITS = not clear, resend?

MRS J. R. SELLERS

This is gr-grandson, Brycen Lane, with his dad, Rick, who has just returned to Afghanistan after birth of his triplets, two girls and another boy for half brother Brycen to play with eventually. I made the pool/guest cabin into my bedroom after daughter Kathi and Rick came down in 1995 to learn the cattle business and see me through. LuJuana

 

This is gr-grandson, Brycen Lane, with his dad, Rick, who has just returned to Afghanistan after birth of his triplets, two girls and another boy for half brother Brycen to play with eventually. I made the pool/guest cabin into my bedroom after daughter Kathi and Rick came down in 1995 to learn the cattle business and see me through. LuJuana

 


       Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:57:09 +0000
  From:
       "Lu Juana Lipscomb" <txcuz@hotmail.com>
    I think the attached photo to be Houston Sellers, 1947, Dallas, TX to
be the key to my John Randolph Sellers, 1857-1938.  I saw him once, wife's
name was Bonnie, and think my mother said they were first cousin.  Had sons,
Bill and Jimmy.    Houston Sellers, 1947, Dallas, TX

 

CORRECTION = Nov 2004

This is Bill Morris Sellers' dad, Lon Morris Sellers.  I had sent you this photo years ago thinking it was Austin or Houston Sellers, twins, brothers of Lon Morris.


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       Tue, 18 Jun 2002 18:03:36 +0000
  From:
       "Lu Juana Lipscomb" <txcuz@hotmail.com>
     these are the sons of Houston Sellers, 1947, Dallas, TX.  I hope someone will recognize.
Lu Juana, TX

Bill & Jimmy Sellers, 1947, Dallas, TX.

_________________________________________________________________
  John Randolph Sellers, b. 2/26/1857, d. 8/16/1958, DeKalb, Bowie Co., TX
m. Sophronie Raleigh, b. 4/1/1861, Hempstead Co., AR, d. 1/30/1933, DeKalb,
TX.  Both are buried in Woodmen Cemetery in DeKalb.  Her funeral notice
states it was held at the Baptist Church in DeKalb on Friday, 3/31/1933 at 3
PM, Rev. John Bell,Pastor, assisted by Rev. G.E. Pinkham.  They were my
gr-grandparents and are buried with my grandmother, Mary Elizabeth Sellers
Chasteen, b. 10/13/1883 in Bowie Co., TX, d. 1/15/1967, DeKalb, by side of
her youngest son, Morris; J.R. and "Fronie" have their youngest dtr., Verda
Leigh buried there also, she died two weeks after her second child was born,
and was m. to Evan Flory, a pharmatist in Texarkana she met when she was in
nursing school there.  There is a Jim Sellers and wife buried in same plot.
Also in unmarked grave there is first wife and child that died of flu
epidemic in 1917, of their eldest son, called Jesse. I don't have the list
with me, but they had 9 or 11 children.  William Herbert & Grover Cleveland,
their older sons, are buried elsewhere in Woodmen.

"Fronie" was dtr. of John Railey of Bowie Co., TX, and she and John Randolph
lived with him for some years as my grandmother told me she and older
sister, Ida Bell, would cruelly tease him by turning him around and as he
was blind, he had to be shown the way to the house.  This could have been
New Boston, Bowie Co., TX.  I have just sent for his death certificate and
will send their children's info which is on zip when I bought new PC.  I was
delighted to know J.R.'s birthplace!

Mary Elizabeth Sellers Chasteen was m. 7/7/1898 to Oren Millard Chasteen and
reared six of their seven children with the first, a dtr. that died abt. two
years old of diphtheria. No idea where that child is buried.

Sometime ago I was contacted by Margie's friend that gave me a lot of her
information, and I sent it to you as per Margie.



My gr-grandfa., John Randolph Sellers, b.2/16/1857, Bell County, TX; d.
8/16/1938 in DeKalb, Bowie Co., TX; m. Sophronia Jane Raleigh,
12/4/1879/family.
(where I don't know, but I feel it is Bowie, Co. as 1880 census states they
were m. that year.) She was b. 4/1/1861 in Hempstead Co., AR as 7th child to
John Raleigh and #2 Eliza.  John and Sophronia Jane lived in DeKalb where he
was a cotton weigher, farmer, and Justice of Peace for 25 years, and
Baptist.  John was over 6 ft. and "Fronie" was small, size 5 shoe.

I was born 1/24/1931 and J.R. and his 2nd dtr. were the only grandparents I
had.  J.R. had a large white, dog-run house, with front porch across the
front, swings at either end.  The bedrooms were on the left side, great
room, dining room, and kitchen on the right.  He grew blue hydranges across
the front, the porch was painted gray.  There were two cedar trees at the
beginning of the sidewalk from the street that are still there.  The yard
was sand, kept mowed by using a broom to keep grass from taking root and
swept in pretty patterns. Fronie had her quilting frame that raised to the
ceiling in the front room, and J.R. had his rocker by the front window by
his grandfather clock. J.R. had a garage like building that was his
smokehouse off to one side.  The house was maybe four blocks from town,
which is a very small town.  I would estimate the population around 1,000.
His widowed dtr., my grmother, Mary Elizabeth called "Lizzie" ran the first
telephone office in DeKalb until she retired at 65.

I have Carl James  Marsh book, "Raleigh and Related Families,"1988.  In it
re mentions that a relative thought that J.R.'s mother was a WILSON.  I
wouldn't even have known he was born in Bell Co., if Margie Sellers Allen
who lives in DeKalb hadn't seen my query and gave me that info.  His dtrs.
thought he was born in AL.

John Randolph and Sophronia Jane had the following 9 children:

Ida Bell, b. 1/29/1881; Mary Elizabeth, b. 10/13/1883; Grover Cleveland,
1/1887 (Mr. Marsh named him "John Grover", but I have his funeral notice;)
James Edward, called Jesse, b. 9/17/1889; William Bryant, 9/1891, died
teenager; Anna Augusta, b. 9/18/1894; William Herbert, b.10/3/1899; Osia
Cordelia, b. 9/30/1901, and Verda Leigh, b. 11/11/1904.

Do any of the name patterns show up on your side?  I'd love to have your
info re the Wilsons and anything else that might connect.

There is a stretch between 1883 and 1887.  Herbert's only child, Barbara
Catherine, said her mother told her he was one of 13 children. I wonder if
Fronie had others that died.  I never knew/heard of any except the 9 listed.

DeKalb is the last county below AR, and I don't recall then the county
line changed. In 1836 when DeKalb was established, it was in AR.

Lu Juana Cartwright Lipscomb
Carthage, TX



From:
       "Lu Juana Lipscomb" <txcuz@msn.com>

Marie, Margie Allen was kind enough to send me Xerox copies of several
birth, death, census sheets, and headstones.  We don't have them all matched
up, but would you want me to copy to send to you?  I'll need your address if
you want them.

Lu Juana Cartwright Lipscomb


LU JUANA,
Thanks, Yes, we need copies of any of these documents.
I have a SLOW time getting anything copied from paper to our web pages.
IF you get it posted on your computer and can copy/paste and send to me =
the best.
Otherwise,  send copies and will post when I can.
THANKS for caring and sharing.

marie sellers hollinger
12871 285 th street
mason city, ia
50401-9118


Again from Margie E. Allen which I will mail 9/27 to Marie.  This is the
first time I've seen the MOLSEY name.  Margie has a marriage license for a
"James H. Sellers to MOLSEY Wilson, August 16, 1846, Pike Co., AL.

1850 Census Jackson Parish LA:
SELLERS, James H. 31 b. AL
         Mary 27 b. NC
         Frances 4 b. AL
         Nancy 3 b. AL
         Augustus 2 b. AL

1860 Census Sebastian Co., AR
SELLERS, James H. 41 b. AL
         Mary 40 b. NC
         Nancy 13 b. AL
         Augustus 11 b. AL
         Hanford 10 b. LA
         James 8 b. LA
         Sarah 6 b. TX
         John 4 b. TX  [this is my grgrandfather, John Randolph,b. Bell Co.
TX 2/26/1857]
         Alfred 2 b. AR

There is a Robert Sellers, 25 b. AL working next door, the only other
Sellers around."  We are wondering if MARY was Molsey's middle name or if
census taker misheard her name.
Lu Juana Cartwright Lipscomb
txcuz@msn.com

CIVIL WAR

 



Found my gr-grandfather, John Randolph Sellers, b. 2/26/1857, Bell
Co., TX to James H. Sellers and Molsey Wilson;  he d. 8/16/1938, DeKalb,
Bowie Co., TX. Wed Sophronia Jane Raleigh, 12/4/1879, DeKalb. She was dtr.
of John Raleigh and #2 Eliza, b. 4/1/1861, Hempstead Co., AR; d. 3/30/1933,
DeKalb of pernicious anemia.

Lu Juana Cartwright Lipscomb



Marie, I sent that photo hoping someone might see a resemblance to the seven
brothers.  Glad to get info Carole sent.  Had no idea of "whence we cometh."
  J.R. was over 6' and kept his hair and those eyebrows!

All those documents from Margie I sent was just to get them somewhere SAFE.
We have no idea who or where the Dr. business fits in as I've never heard of
him before.  I THINK Red River Co., TX adjoins Bowie Co., along the OK
border.

I know nothing of John Sellers, 1833.  Sorry, and I thank you for being so
patient.

Lu Juana



Date:
       Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:17:20 -0700
  From:
       "Lu Juana Lipscomb" <txcuz@msn.com>
    To:
       janerowe9@yahoo.com

Jane, I read SELLERS-L daily and saw your note. I'm about in
the same situation as you. My gr-grandfather's eldest son, Grover
Cleveland Sellers, gave into for death certificate and mother was ______Wilson
and father _____Sellers, b. Bell Co., TX 1857, d. 1938, Bowie Co., TX.
Margie Sellers Allen sent me names of John Randolph Sellers' parents and
siblings:
JAMES H. SELLERS m. MOLSEY WILSON in Pike Co., AL on 8/16/1846 (Her
name not a typo as signed document that way, but Mary on census.)
Her parents were MATHEW d. 1856 and SARAH WILSON d. 1859.
Their children:
MERIDA
MATHEW (spelled with one T)
NANCY
JOHN R.
SAMUEL
ASA
MOLSEY



DOCUMENTS IN HER FILE


march, 2002Pat Greathouse sent me my John Randolph Sellers answer.  It was from his mother, Molsey Wilson's brother.  Answer to my great conundrum. Lu Juana Cartwright Lipscomb



I received Joan's msg. (PHILLIP'S FAMILY  = >http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=ipftphillips)
sometime ago and couldn't unload it until today.
Forwarded it to Ralph Glenn Raleigh, retired biology teacher in NC or Ky. He
has his info on Ancestry.com.  John Randolph Sellers [b. 2/26/1857, Bell
Co., TX, d. 8/16/1938, DeKalb, Bowie Co., TX] m. Sophronia Jane Raleigh, [b.
4/1/1861, Hempstead Co., AR, d. 3/30/1933], DeKalb, TX]and m. 12/4/1879 were
my gr-grandparents.  The RALEIGH AND RELATED FAMILIES mentioned someone in
DeKalb, Bowie Co., TX told Mr. Marsh that "J.R." was a Jr.  Margie said he
was named for a brother of J.R.'s mother, who was a Wilson.

My other question to Joan is does anyone know why the Randall was changed to
Randolph.  On my Lipscomb side, during a battle in Scotland, a wife's father
had to change from McGregor, and he decided on McGehee and his brother took
Murray as proscribed by the winning Calhoun side.
I'm not that knowlegeable about Scotish history.

Mr. Marsh has Sophronia's father as John Harrison Raleigh, Jr. and #2 Eliza
unknown.

I've been working on my Cartwright side which is also a tangle.

Take care,

Lu Juana Cartwright Lipscomb



HERE WE HAVE SOMETHING!!  LU JUANA
 

>From: "JOAN HOSKINS" <joanphillipshoskins3@msn.com>
>To: "Lu Juana Cartwright Lipscomb" <txcuz@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: Sellers, Raleighs
>Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:37:57 -0400
>
>You learn many things that were lost in the past when you do genealogy-I am
>Pres Thomas Jefferson`s 1st cousin 7 times removed through my Grandmother
>Nancy Elizabeth Victoria Railey m Stephen Riley Phillips - John Railey came
>to VA from England? Ireland? and built StoneHinge -He married Elizabeth
>"Bettie" Randolph -sister to Jane Rogers Randolph -Mother of Thomas and
>wife of Peter Jefferson
>ALAS all the money was gone before it reached me ----JoAn
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Lu Juana Cartwright Lipscomb
>Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 1:07 PM
>To: joanphillipshoskins3@msn.com
>Subject: Sellers, Raleighs
>
>Many thanks for response.  I see your name frequently for transcribing and
>thank you for that.  I told Glenn I had a theory, but at nearly 72, who
>knows!  I keep running into the names that link distantly to Thomas
>Jefferson, ie:  Vincent, Isham, and two more that I've forgotten for my
>senior moment. They are in Sellers and Raileys.  I came up with that when I
>bought a book of genealogy of Presidents to give to our fairly new
>association.  Haven't given it yet.
>
>Again, many thanks for your hard work.
>
>Lu Juana Cartwright Lipscomb



feb 15, 2003
John Randolph Sellers, b. 1857, Bell Co., TX had a mother, MOLSEY (not a
typo) Wilson and father, James H. Sellers, m. 1819 Clarke Co., AL.  I've
been wondering if the H. was for Herbert, Hilliard, or Henry.  Also if
related, I never heard that story.  Interesting!
Lu Juana
 
  

>From: "marie sellers hollinger" <mari@netins.net>
>Reply-To: SELLERS-L@rootsweb.com
>To: SELLERS-L@rootsweb.com
>Subject: [SELLERS] NOLSEY TATUM SELLERS 1819 SAMPSON CO, NC , child of JOHN
>SELLERS and CLARISEY TATUM
>Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 23:40:40 -0600
>
>DID this child go by name of NOLSEY SELLERS or NOLSEY TATUM?
>ANYWAY have a connection?
>ANYONE have a marriage?
>MY SAMPSON CO MINUTES to 1830  do NOT show or I couldn't find ANY OTHER
>INFO.
>Didn't extract all TATUMS, just SELLERS.
>
>TATUMS may have moved to?
>ALL info appreciated.
>marie, iowa
>
>
>SAMPSON CO, NC MINUTES
>MAY 18, 1819=
>
>CHILD = CLARISEY TATUM BE ALLOWED $15 FOR FIRST MONTH OF LYING IN AND >$15 PER YEAR FOR SEVEN YEARS TO BE PAID BY COL JOHN SELLERS, REPUTED
>FATHER OF HER ILLEGITIMATE CHILD NAMED NOLSEY
>=============

LU JUANA, thanks. will send thro SELLERS for help.
was he in civil war? sometimes, these records give extra info.
TX has good death records that might list or did he die in AR?
don't remember what they have. you have probably checked?
marie, iowa


may 31, 2003
I've been trying to find a William H. Sellers forever.  My grandmother, Mary Elizabeth Sellers, 1882-1967 in DeKalb, Bowie Co., TX, told me her grandfather was Wm. H., and her father, John Randolph Sellers , 1857-1938, was b. AL.  Not so!  Margie Allen lives in DeKalb and told me J.R.'s father was James H. Sellers, b. 1809, AL and J.R. was b. in Bell Co., TX as census shows.  His death certificate, 1938, lists __Sellers and ____Wilson.  Margie has the mother's name as Molsey on document and Mary on census.
 
Someone contacted me that she had an Uncle Molsey Hansford in her tree, and I've lost it in my piles of to do things.
 
Children of James H. and Molsey Wilson, m. 8/16/1846, Pike Co., AL:
 
1850 Census, Jackson Parish LA:
 
SELLERS, James H., 31, b. AL
              Mary, 27, b. NC
              Frances, 4 b. AL
              Nancy, 3, b. AL [Nancy Initres SellArs, b. abt. 1847, d.1878, Dalby Springs, Bowie Co., TX, m. Matthew L. Raleigh, Bowie Co., TX]
              Augustus SellArs, 2, b. AL
 
1860 Census, Sebastian Co., AR
 
SELLERS, James H., 41, b. AL
              Mary, 40, b. NC
              Augustus, 11, b. AL
              Hanford/Hansford Sellars, 10, b. 8/1850, AL, d. 2/25/1893, Caddo Valley, Clark Co., AR
             James A., 8, b. 11/30/1851, GA, d. 12/10/1937, DeKalb. Bowie Co., TX
              Sarah Alice, 6, b. abt. 1855, AR, d. before 1883, Bowie Co., TX
              John, 4, b. TX [John Randolph, b. 1857, Bell Co., TX, d. 8/16/1938, DeKalb, Bowie Co., TX]
              Alfred  Henderson Sellars, 2, b. 11/6/1859, AR, d. 4/18/1928, Evergreen Cemetery, Paris, Lamar Co., TX.
 
There is a Robert Sellers, 25, b. AL working next door.
 
Children of John Randolph Sellers and Sophronia Jane Raleigh, b. 4/1/1861, Hempstead Co., AR, m. 12/4/1879, Bowie Co., TX. Jim or Alfred/Alford and J.R. came to Bowie Co., abt. 1879:
             Ida Bell, b. 1/29/1891, m. James Ethel Chasteen, 1898.
             Mary Elizabeth, b. 10/13/1882, m. Oren Millard Chasteen, 1898
             Grover Cleveland, b. 1/25/1887 [was John Grover on census]
             James Edward (Jesse), b. 9/17/1889
             Wesley Bryant, b. 9/24/1891, d. 7/10/1908
             Anna Augusta, b. 9/18/1894
             William Herbert, b. 10/3/1899
             Osia Cordelia, b. 9/30/1901
             Verda Leigh, b. 11/11/1904
 
They had two infant sons that died between 1882 and 1887, names unknown.
 
I have no idea what the "H" is for James H. or William H., could be Herbert, Hansford, Henderson, or Henry although there is no Henry in the family.
 



  aug 30, 2003

LuJuana Cartwright Lipscomb [txcuz@msn.com]

I've been reading with great interest the info on W.H. SELLERS.  My grandmother, d. 1967 at 83, told me her paternal grandfather was Wm.H. Sellers, should have been gr-grandfather, and his son, James H. or W. was really the father of John Randolph Sellers, her father.  She could have gotten mixed up.  J.R. named sons, Grover Cleveland, James Edward (Jesse), William Herbert, and Wesley Bryant.

 

In FTM CD #185, KY Families, there is a mention in the Johnson genealogy:  Willa Viley Johnson, Jr. d. 5/4/1913 at Colorado, TX.  "We  do solemnly state, that we will never hereafter, play at cards for money-July 4th, 1845--Geo. W. Johnson, James L. Allen, Thomas P. Johnson, Willa V. Johnson, W.M. Johnson, E.J. Williams, H.P. Roberts, W.W. Johnson."

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oct 27, 2004

The twins, I think, that I ordered from TX deaths have never come.  If I could get from TX for $9, decided to try them.  Might have to order SSDI for $27.  I think they were Joseph Austin and James Houston Sellers.  In 1946/7 we went to Dallas to visit and my mother, Vera Chasteen, said they were first cousins.  Austin's wife was named Bonnie, and the two boys were Bill and Jimmy.  Maybe you saw the jpgs I sent Marie hoping someone alive would recognize them.  I get confused on which was James or Joseph.  Had found a Joseph (whichever) in KY, and the light dawned that maybe Houston and Austin were named for our Joseph and James and found them in the SSDI about the age of my mother..  At any rate I want to find out as think they might hold a key to our past.

NOV 2004

I believe below pertains to BILLY SELLERS dna info? Msh

sellersb@verizon.net; Margie Sellers Allen

From LUJUANA

 

I still don't know where Margie found Bill, but this is the Bill that I thought was son of either Austin or Houston Sellers, and I sent you a photo of a man (Morris) hoping someone would recognize him.  It was Lon Morris Sellers, Bill's dad.  Austin and Houston were twin brothers of Lon Morris, Bill's dad.  Clear?  Last time I saw Bill was 1947 and have a photo of us with his younger brother, Jimmy, who died 1999.  Bill's grandfather was Alfred Henderson Sellers, son of James H. and Molsey (not a typo) Wilson.  Bill, if not correct, please tell me.

 

Here's what he sent me:

 

1.  James H. Sellers and Molsey Wilson m. 1846 and had:

 

     2.  Alfred Henderson Sellers. b/ 11/6/1859, d. 4/18/1928 m. Callie Idonia Holden, b. 11/24/1870, d. 5/25/1942 had :

 

          3.  John Austin Sellers, b. 11/19/1897 Paris, Lamar Co., TX;  d. 1/4/1982                                                                          

 

          3.  James Houston Sellers, b. 11/19/1897, Paris, Lamar Co., TX; d. 6/5/1979        

 

          3.  Lon Morris Sellers, b. 1/10/1903, Paris, Lamar Co., TX,  d. 3/3/1991, Plano, Dallas Co.,?, TX  m. Bonnie Wallace and had:

 

               4.  Billy Morris Sellers  m. Josephine Alice Moir and had:

 

                     5.  Sharon Lynn who has two dtrs. & 1 grandchild

 

                     5. Sally Anne who has two dtrs and 3 grandchildren

 

                     5.  Rebecca Leigh who as three dtrs.

 

               4. James Austin Sellers, d. 9/6/1999  m. Delora Davis and had:

 

                     5.  Debra m. William Bussey, DDS and had one son

 

                     5.  Jill m. Rick Redmon, DDS and have three dtrs. and one son

    

                     5.  Alan m. Judi Findley and had:

 

                           6.  male Sellers

 

                           6.  dtr.

 

                4.  Robert Alvin Sellers m. Betsy Westbrook

 

 We have gr-grandfathers (brothers)  John Randolph and James Henderson Sellers in common.  FYI:  Save for 4th grade homework.

Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 8:14 PM

Subject: Sellers Family

 

LuJuana,In your e-mail to Marie Hollinger,you mention about us having
gr-grandfathers in common,named John Randolph and James Henderson Sellers.Is
it possible you meant Alfred Henderson Sellers instead of James Henderson
Sellers (My Gr-Grandfather)

By the way ,were Dewey and Vera Cartwright your parents,I remember them very
well but I just wanted to be sure.They and my parents used to visit back and
forth when they lived in Ft.Worth.

Thanks,Bill


=====

Yes, you are correct and I will notify Marie.  She's very sharp and probably picked up on my mistake.  The reason I get confused is partly because Carl James Marsh in his book, RALEIGH AND RELATED FAMILIES-1988 states "Emma Lou Meadows states in her book, DEKALB AND BOWIE COUNTY HISTORY AND GENEALOGY, that John Sellers came to TX as a young man with one of his brothers, either Jim or Alford but does not give the year or the place from which they came."  The Meadows book is out of print, but Mr. Marsh has one, and we keep meaning to go to Tyler to borrow his copy as it's only 67 miles away, and before he had a stroke and lost his speech, he gave me permission to put his material online so long as he was given credit for it.  He had just gotten his PC, but LaVerne has learned to use it.  I did phone her from time to time to see how he was, and he's better.

 

Yes, Vera and Dewey were my parents.  I got into the Huguenots as I knew Dewey's gr-grandmother Whisenhunt was one and came in the Palatine emigration in the ship Snow Lowther  in 1731, and the Chastain/Chasteens came to Manakin Town, VA about the same time and I've forgotten the name of the vessel. That's why I bought the FTM CD #600.  When I typed Cartwright it said "Cauteret,"  Sellers was "Sellaire--Among the Huguenot exiles were several branches of the ancient Sellaire or Cellier family of France. The name is met with among the refugees to England and America priior to the Revocation, and even in far away Cape Colony where a descendant, General Cellier, became famous as a Boer leader in the Transvaal war.  One branch retired to the Palatinate about the period of the Revocation.  Of this family was Jean Henri Sellaire who, with his family, followed the great exodus of Palatines to London in 1708.  In 1709 he came to New York with the Palatines, where his name and that of his son John as "Zeller" appears among the settlers of Livingston Manor in 1710.  About 1727 he came overland through the trackless wilderness to Tulpehocken, locating near the present town of Sheridan, where he established a considerable estate and where he died at a very advanced age in 1756.  His house, a massive stone edifice, erected with a view to protect the family and neighbors in case of attack by the Indians, is still standing."  I'm dying to find the books as John Cellier, 1727, and Pierre, 1748, are mentioned and Jean Henri Cellier on pg. 319. In another part of one of the books, "After the Revolution of 1688, a considerable addition was made to the French churches in London......We find the following entry relating to the same subject in the Register of Glass House Street chapel:  "Le Dimanche, 13 May 1688, Elizabeth Cautin de St. Martin de Tetz, Susanne CELLIER et Marie CELLIER sa Souer de la Rochelle....."

 

As both sets of my grandparents were dead when I arrived 1/24/1931, only gr-grandfather John Randolph and his dtr., my grandmother, Mary Elizabeth (Lizzie) were living, and I have always loved him so much as we'd sit in his rocker by his grandfather clock and look out the window.

 

If you don't think the SELLERS-L DNA project is frivolous, I'd be delighted to pay your fee if you'd do it.  Just let me know.  More later.

 

 Nov 2004

I finally bought 5 books from E-bay on Huguenots.  Only one has arrived and it is The Trail of the Huguenots, 1963 which I e-mailed about Zeller family previously. Will keep looking.

 

=

jan 2006

Hi, Jackie. I have fwd. your msg. and photo to Billy Morris Sellers and Margie Sellers Allen. Yes, the girl was me, LuJuana Cartwright Lipscomb at 16. It's uncanny that I did bear a resemblance to Nettie and also to my mother, Vera Lavada Chasteen Cartwright b. 1902, Bowie County, TX; d. 1980, Fort Worth, Tarrant Co., TX. My gr-grandfather was John Randolph Sellers, b. 1857, Bell Co., TX; d. 1938 in DeKalb, Bowie Co., TX. Many thanks for sending.

Margie lives in DeKalb and may be able to tell me how Gertrude Sellers fits into our Sellers as the only Gertrude I know/knew was sister of my mother.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jackie
To: txcuz@hotmail.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 7:03 PM
Subject: Sellers


You posted a picture of Bill and Jimmy Seller 1947 Dallas, Texas it has a girl in it also! I am sending it to Aunt Nettie's dau of A. J. Allen & Gertrude Sellers of Bowie County, TX. I believe it is her! I will let you know for sure.

This is also Nettie and her Husband Richard.

Jackie Allen
Oklahoma


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jan 2009

I don't know how to attach photo of my gr-grandparents with grandchildren to the file owned by Patricia Pannel ? J.R. was born in Bell County, TX and died DeKalb. Bowie Co., TX, USA. I also have his and Sophronia's death certificates. Photo made before 1933 as Sophronia died that year. His occupation was farmer, Justice of the Peace for DeKalb for 25 years, DeKalb school superintendent, 1910, and dabbled in real estate.
John Randolph Sellers-1857-1938

LuJuana Cartwright Lipscomb
Carthage, Panola Co., TX

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LUJUANA, thanks.
What do you need help with?
What do you have?
A picture on your computer you want to send to us? Or WHAT/WHERE?

OR email me direct = mari@netins.net
Attachments, etc must be sent to me . Rootsweb won't accept. And I share with our Sellers members.

Others may be able to help plainer than me.

Start your letter to me = mari@netins.net
Go up to your top toolbar and hit insert.
Go to whereever you have the picture, etc saved (pictures, etc) and click on that file and try sending it to me.

I'm NOT sure what you mean by Patricia Pannel? Explain?
AND you have shared other files, so I may not be seeing the problem. We usually just post to your page and link to the county/state connected to you. We don't post on anothers page. IF we have a page on John Randolph Sellers, we could put a link there.

HELP me understand.

Thank you for sharing. marie, iowa

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GOOD SUNNY 43 MORN, SH. YES, I LOVE YOUR LIGHT BLUE SCREEN, AND THAT I DON'T HAVE TO PRINT WHICH I DIDN'T READ UNTIL THE NEXT TIME I HAVE TO GET UP. AS I SEE THIS, IT'S A DARK BLUE SCREEN WITH VERY PALE BLUE, ALMOST WHITE LETTERS.

I STAYED UP LATE FOR ME TO READ A TABLOID, CELEB MAG AND HAD TO ASK KATHI TO TYPE THE LAST TWO PARAGRAPHS IN THE OK CHOCTAW BOOK AS I'D BEEN TYPING OFF AND ON ALL DAY. IT WAS ABOUT WHY THE NATIVES DIDN'T WANT TO BE FOUND BY THE GOVERNMENT AFTER THE BOTCHED TRAIL OF TEARS AND HID IN INDIAN TERRITORY, NOW ARKANSAS. DURING THE CIVIL WAR, BUSHWHACKERS CAME TO THE SELLERS' FARM NEAR HARTFORD, STEALING CATTLE, AND FATHER OF LYDIA SELLERS WILSON WENT OUT TO SEE, AND THEY KILLED HIM. MAYBE THAT'S WHY WE DON'T KNOW WHERE HE'S BURIED.?? SHE HAD 2 CHILDREN, LAVANNAH WAS 12 AND SAMUEL R. WILSON II ABT. 2 BEFORE LYDIA DIED INSIDE FORT SMITH, 1863/64 WHERE SHE'D GONE TO ESCAPE NORTH/SOUTH BATTLES. I DON'T KNOW THE DISTANCE BETWEEN FORT SMITH AND HEAVENER, OK BUT THEY WALKED IT. LYDIA IS BURIED NEAR THE OLD COMMISSARY BLDG OUTSIDE THE FORT. FIRST SAM BECAME THE CHOCTAW COURT TRANSLATOR AFTER HE LEARNED CHOCTAW SO I'M GUESSING HE WAS WHITE.

FOUND THAT A MATHEW KING ALSO WORKED AS TRANSLATOR ON A TREATY. I'M READY TO GO OVER TO HSE PC AND SEE WHAT ELSE I CAN FIND. I KNOW THERE WERE WILSONS LIVING NEAR SELLERS IN DEKALB, BOWIE CO. IN AN OLD CENSUS. GETS ME "FIRED" UP FOR THE CHASE.

KATHI TOOK "LUCKY" TO THE VET ON WAY TO FEED COWS AT GERT'S. HOPE HE DOESN'T HAVE A MICRO CHIP AS HE WAS BIG HELP TO HER YEST WHEN SHE FED HERE. GUESS GOD SENT HIM HERE.

BIG R SENT FWDS I HAVEN'T READ YET. GET YOUR SNUGGIE TO STAY WARM. LOL AND HUGS

LuJuana Lipscomb [txcuz@webtv.net]

nov 17, 2009

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This info was from the 1981 book, "Choctaw Heritage" with the Choctaw seal that I bought from E-bay written by Betty Jeanne ? Ward Poulin. b. 1924. I said I'd pay $50, they wanted more, and I upped it to $75, When it came I'd payed $175 and was delighted. I think I told you it was "home grown" as no proper index, and it needed editing. I had to read page by page. It has all the treaties, names of chiefs, translators. The Trail of Tears was told to her by grandfather, Herbert Zach Ward or Dave Ward. When the government wanted more land in 1902, the town was named Heavener, Choctaw Nation. Joe Heavener filled out the paper requesting a post office and that's how it got its name. She said she'd worked on it for 43 yrs.

Margie Sellers Allen lives in DeKalb, Bowie Co., TX which is about 12 miles from Idabell, OK and when state lines were changed, DeKalb had been in McCurtain Co., named for Chief Green McCurtain who signed the town plats before OK was made a state, 1908 ?. My mt. grandfather was white and Cherokee, and I keep running across names that I've heard all my life when visiting in DeKalb.

I scanned John Randolph Sellers pix to Troy Pate. Haven't heard if he got it. Would you please give me the URL when he sent you the unknown pix he had? I'll just print them all as saw my JRS as a young man, looking the same as I remember him except his hair and mustache were black.

Lydia Sellers that d. at Fort Smith, 1863/4 walked with Luvannah, 12 ys and Samuel R. Wilson. II, 2 yrs old from Heavener, Choctaw Nation to the Fort. We're wondering if the old script made an "L" from an "S", misread for Suvannah.

Will get back to book or hse PC later today I hope. Use txcux@msn.com as this is just a keyboard and TV screen in my bedroom once known as pool/guest hse

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Choctaw Heritage by Betty Jeanne Ward Pouling, 1981, Heavener, OK. pg. 311: Isaac, William, Paris, 1774-1838, m. white Mary Margaret Alexander and Choctaw Phoebe Taylor=11 children with William Austin Hickman, 1805 firstborn, and #8 being first Tabitha, no date. Samuel Fraser Hickman, b.1815 and 5th child.

Ibid; pg. 312/313: Samuel Fraser Hickman, b. 1815 m. Lucy Fille mor tubbe, b. 1820=9 children, 8 b. in the Bogue Chitto Clan in Neshoba Co., MS. Choctaw Nation. Second Tabitha (b. June 29, 1852, d. June 30, 1920) m. Zachary Taylor Ward (1852-1883)= 3 children: LuVincy Ward (1874-1958); James Ward (1878-Jan 18, 1898); Dave Ward (May 10, 1880-d. May 29, 1958)

Ibid: pg. 313: James Ward (1878-1/18/1898) m. Alice Robinson (b. Oct. 12,1877, d. April 24,1970) = one child, daughter Jimmie Ward (b. Aug 8, 1898, living in 1981)

Ibid: pg. 315: Dave Ward (5/10/1880-5/29/1958) m. Mary Augusta Crawford (b. 9/13/1881-9/10/1978)=9 children--second child was Herbert Zach Ward #828, pg. 181.

Have just found she started a better way of enumerating on pg. 315- and will scan tomorrow. I made an error in spelling of Lavannah Wilson (La not Lu), and left out that John R. Wilson m. Elizabeth Heavener, sister of Joe Heavener, after Lydia Sellers Wilson died at the Fort. They had 3 children, John R. II, Ella and Floyd, before John R. Wilson was killed from a fall from his steam saw.

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In a message dated 6/7/2010 3:47:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, txcuz31@live.com writes:
E-mail #1 of 1981 book by Betty Jeanne Ward Poulin pg309 e first part of our family tree will be ISAAC HICKMAN whose son, WILLIAM HICKMAN, fought in the Rev. War.  To the best of our knowledge he had a white wife named  MARY Mc PHERSON  and a CHOCTAW wife named LETTICE COLE.
 
PARIS HICKMAN, a son of WILLIAM HICKMAN m. MARY ALEXANDER also PHOEBE TAYLOR of Mississippi so we have white wives/children and CHOCTAW wives/children.  These men enrolled their children as white on the Government census as at that time, Indians had      rights, and considered the      whites as savages.
 
SAMUEL FRASER HICKMAN, a son of PARIS HICKMAN, lived in the BOGUE CHITTO CLAN  IN NESHOBA county, Mississippi.  H.S. Halbert, a noted historian of the time, tells us that no whites were allowed in the BOGUE CHITTO CLAN, and W.W. Clairborne adds that no missionaries, whites, schools, churches were allowed as the BOGUE CHITTO CLAN as it was a Clan of Warriors located in CHIEF MOSHOLATUBBEE'S district in the CHOCTAW NATION.
 
SAMUEL FRASER HICKMAN m. LUCY FILLE mor tubbee of the CHOCTAW NATION. He spoke broken English or Choctaw when he came to visit the white side of his relatives in HARRISON Co., Mississippi
FILLE mor tubbee is the current spelling.  Earlier was PHILLE moon tubbee.  TUBBEE was a title and was always put at end of his name. It meant warrior who has killed or great warrior or hunters of the tribe.
 
In the late 1600s, ISAAC HICKMAN was an early settler of Welchneck tract, close to Society Hill, eighteen to twenty miles up DeeDee from Jerrie's Creek, Pennsylvania. He served in the militia during the expedition to Fort Prince George in 1759.  ISAAC HICKMAN moved south and married ELIZABETH HICKMAN.
                                                                                        CHILDREN:
                                                                    WILLIAM HICKMAN  b. 14 March 1732;  d. 17 April 1816
                                                                    ELIZABETH HICKMAN b.
                                                                    JOSHUA HICKMAN  b.
                                                                    SAMUEL HICKMAN b.
                                                                    MATILDA HICKMAN b.
                                                                   SARAH HICKMAN b. 7 Feb 1743
                                                                   MARY HICKMAN  b. 7 Dec 1740 [sic ?]
 
WILLIAM HICKMAN, son of ISAAC, SERVED IN THE Rev. War. He vowed to oppose the British on 15 Dec 1774.  (From the DAR Records.)  WILLIAM HICKMAN held the rank of Brigade Major.  Pay voucher of 16 April 1777 for $53.00."
 
Next will be pg. 310 for the Choctaw Hickmans. I should have done this as doc., but my TIA got me first  As this was "home grown", I've cleaned up what I could.  Margie, I'm depending on you  to see this gets to Marie. Now if I can stop falling, will try to finish what I can. Best $175 I'VE ever spent.