Susan in Michigan asked me to email you with the following information.
I have been trying to find information on my great grandparents and I am slowly making progress.
Alfred Sellers born September 11, 1854 Buckinghamshire,
Died April 6, 1828 Grand Rapids, Michigan
Alfred's parents were Richard and Martha
(still hoping to find more about them)
I do know that Richard's profession was listed as "Dealer" when Alfred was married
Alfred Sellers married Sarah Ann Betts August 24, 1878 in High Wycomb England
Sarah was born Sept 29, 1853 in Buckinghamshire, England
her parents were Joseph and Elizabeth Stone
Sarah died on October 1, 1885 Grand Rapids, Michigan
Alfred and Sarah moved to somewhere in Canada.
They had a daughter Florence. Florence died when
she was a baby. Not sure if Florence was born in England or Canada.
Their second child was Elizabeth Florence Sellers born January 17, 1881 in Canada
Elizabeth died on August 15, 1962 in Connersville, Indiana
Elizabeth was my grandmother.
Lubeth in Indiana
1851 census of Marlow or Great Marlow
Richard Sellers Head m 39 Butcher Bucks/Fawley
Martha Sellers Wife m 38 Berks/Hurley
Charles Son u 17 Farm servant Bucks/Hambleden
John Son 14 Labourer
Jane Daughter 11 Scholar
Richard Son 6 Scholar
Sarah Daughter 4
Alfred Son 6 months
I am sure there are other Sellers on the list but this one caught
her eye because of me. She was searching for the Betts side of the
great grandmother was a Betts also and we were hoping to find a link between our great grandmothers. She remembered that my Sarah married
Alfred Sellers so she copied this listing.
I figure any info is helpful. She lives right there and is finding this frustrating. No wonder I feel frustrated searching from over here.
> LUBETH - Maybe a member may catch this name and know something.
> WAS this family in the US?
> Did she have any kids? to follow up on.
> I am not knowledgeable on searching outside the US. In fact, most of
> the names of these towns? in these countries, I have to LookUp to see
> where they are.
> CENSUS RECORDS is a good place to check.
> WAR RECORDS
> DEATH RECORDS
> I'm sure you know all this.
> has many sites. And several on the genforum and genconnect boards. Hope
> this helps a little. Best Wishes. marie, iowa
Will try Cindi's List. My cousin has tried the death records and
three different cities. Grand Rapids, Michigan ,
Gary, Indiana, and South Bend, Indiana. The odd part of this search is
that no one seems to know anything about her.
The three Vermeulen brothers all married within three months of one another.
One moved to California, one stayed in Grand Rapids, and my grandfather
moved to Connersville, Indiana. Their mother died a few months after they
were all married. Adrianna was their half sister. The house and the
contents were left to her. Denis did find the will. Ada came to visit my
grandfather and grandmother in Indiana once long before my aunt and my mom
were born. My grandmother mentioned her a couple times but no one had
contact with her. We don't know if she died young, married, or whatever.
Adrianna Hoebeke just disappeared. The brother in California never even
mentioned her so my cousin did not know she exsisted for a long time. Denis
and I are just trying to find out what ever happened to her. My mother and
my aunt thought that they remember something about Gary and South Bend but
there is no trace of her. I guess its the fact that she simply disappeared
from the family that bothers Denis and I. We have so many good records now
on that side of the family and we would just like to know what happened to
My mom and aunt are in their 80s so if their older siblings knew anything
its too late to ask. They are all deceased.
We have some Michigan records that have been shared by our members =
Our Indiana info on these three counties = O
Maybe surrounding counties could have info?
The MOTHER DIED WHEN/WHERE=
Could you just send a few Extractions from this will, with date, place etc.
THANKS for sharing, marie, iowa
Maria's first husband was Gillis Vermeulen. They had three
Peter, and Cornelius. Peter was my grandfather.
Maria had three childen with Corenlius Hoebeke Joznia
died as a baby.
Jacobus died March 28, 1901 in Grand Rapids, Michigan. He was only 11 years
After Corenlius Hoebeke died Marie brought Martin, Peter, Cornelius,
Jacobus "James"and Ada to the United States. They lived in Grand Rapids,
Michigan. We believe they came to the United States in 1992 or 1993.
1900 Census lists Maria, Ada, and James Hoebeke, Peter, Martin,
Cornelius Vermeulen all living in Grand Rapids, Michigan. The 1900 Census
lists Ada and James as students.
James Hoebeke is buried in St. Andrew's Cemetery, Grand Rapids, Kent,
Martin, Peter, and Cornelius Vermeulen all marry in Sept. Oct. Nov. 1902
Maria Van Den Ende Hoebeke dies on August 8, 1908.
Census results from 1910 and 1920 for California, Michigan and
not show Ada living with any of her brothers or her guardian Hildebrand
Searched High School year books at Grand Rapids for 1907, 1908, 1909
Tried the 1903-1925 public School records for Kent County, Michigan.
Tried Catholic Church records. No Ada Hoebeke.
No Ada Hoebeke buried at St. Andrew's cemetary with Mother or brother.
Michigan Statewide Marriage Index No Ada Hoebeke.
Ada was listed in the 1908 City Directory for Grand Rapids right before
mother died. The next directory available was the 1911, she was not listed
Martin Vermeulen was the executor of Maria's will.
Ada signed the papers (age 18) along with her three half brothers.
Ada inherits all the household goods and wearing apparel together with 1/2
of all real and personnel estate.
The address was 19 Indiana Aveneue,
The appointed guardian for Ada is Hildebrand Hageman, but no papers are ever
filed for guardianship He died July 30, 1955.
These files were also searched in Saint Joseph's County, Indiana
Necrology File 1870-1940
Inheritance Tax File
All Cemetery Indexes
Eisen's Indes to Vitral Records for St. Joseph's County
Census Records for St. Joseph's County for 1870, 1880, 1890
Genealogical Society Newsletter Index
City Directories for 1904-1924
Birth Death Marriage Records
Tried death records in Gary, Indiana also. No Ada
As you can see my cousin has tried everything. It is a mystery.
why we are so perplexed. We have been very lucky to find info on the
Vermeulens and Hoebekes back in the 1800s in Holland but can't find Ada in
the 1900s in the US. Guess you might say that it is driving us crazy. My
grandparents had things like clippings, bills from other family members
funerals, etc. Not one thing about Ada. We believe she did make a brief
visit to their home in Indianapolis, Indiana somewhere between 1909 and
Can you forward this to John. Appreciate his reply. Can't
figure out how
to send a reply back to him.
IF use DATES behind the persons name - like ADA(surname) 1889
Sure would help tell the diff on
ADA (surname) (AGE, ETC) that had a guardian in
that Maybe married and maybe died young?
IF you found a HOEBEKE family board - probably your best bet?
THANKS for sharing , marie, iowa
I did receive a birth certificate from the General Register Office in England. It took about six weeks. They were able to send Sarah Betts Sellers.
They could not find Alfred's record. They searched England and Wales 1853-1855. I am happy to have Sarah's but I am surprised that Alfred's
is not recorded. I have his birth date and I am about 95% sure its correct.
Maybe I should try to obtain his naturalizations papers and work backwards from there.
By the way I received two very nice responses from the Ada Hoebeke query
I sent. I really appreciated the suggestions. Beverly from
Washington, did find an Ada Hoebeke on the social security death index that I had missed. The birth dates were not the same but the names
were the same and that Ada was in Michigan also. Decided to take a chance and sent for the application.
Who knows, it may be the same Ada.
I will be in Indianapolis this weekend. Maybe I can find some info on Alfred Sellers or his parents at their Latter Day Saints Site.
This is frustrating.