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Possible parents of Margaret Minerva Sellers

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Alpha Justana or Jane Sellers.pdf

Descendants of JAMES MANSON SELLERS 1831 By Margaret Freeman of Coffee Co. TN, ( not a Sellers descendant, but who did such excellent research as to her collateral lines and was so willing to share.) Contributed by Linda Peacock

Descendants of NATHAN ELMORE SELLERS 1865 By Margaret Freeman of Coffee Co. TN, ( not a Sellers descendant, but who did such excellent research as to her collateral lines and was so willing to share.)
Contributed by Linda Peacock

REV WAR JAMES SELLERS by LINDA PEACOCK

James Sellers and Charity and Mystery James Sellerses by LINDA PEACOCK

The Three Brothers Sellers NC John, James & Robert by LINDA PEACOCK

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Jan 2009
Dear Marie, Georgia and Charmaine,

Tom Kryssbek has helped me tie up some loose ends as to my Sellers family and has given me permission to send his data to you. I have deleted the files as to James Mason Sellers for now as I only asked permission to send the files as to my family and as James Mason Sellers has not been confirmed.
Want to thank you all for all your help in finding my family and hope these file will help others.
Love, Linda

Descendants of Jane Thompson

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june 2006

Hello all,

Thanks for your very nice Sellers site, for your activity in general at Rootsweb, etc. and for your documentation! You are all doing a superior service in documenting the family relations – have so far not found the like anywhere else.

I am trying to trace my direct female ancestry and have so far landed at Jane (Sellers), b. 1796 in NC, living in St. Francis Co. MO, District 10, in 1850 as head of family:

Jane Sellers age 54 b. NC
Minerva Ross age 24 or -6 b. NC
James R Sellers age 8/12 b. MO (I have more as to JR if anyone needs that data – he was in MS age 20 and moved to TN age 30)
John Sellers age 22 b. NC
Emily Sellers age 22 b. TN
Jane E Ross age 3 b. TN
Martha Ross age 1 b. TN
Justiana Sellers age 15 b. NC
Ruth E Sellers age 9 b. NC

Minerva Ross in this census is my ggg grandmother Margaret Minerva Sellers, and Jane E Ross and Martha Ross (my gg grandmother) were her children by her first marriage to Oliver Franklin Ross. MM Sellers md. Oliver Franklin Ross 15 July 1844 in Coffee Co. TN. Oliver was a Methodist minister and son of Rice Farrar Ross (b. 1776 SC, NC or GA, parents unknown) and Sarah Bonham (b. NC). Sarah Bonham´s father and mother Absalom Bonham and Rebecca Cox Bonham, were from NJ (more documentation can be provided) and lived in Lincolnton, Lincoln NC from 1785-1794.

Oliver Franklin Ross and MM Sellers Ross had 2 children: Sarah JANE Ellis Ross (= Sarah E Ross in census above) and Martha Verlincha Franklin Ross (= Martha in census above). Oliver died 25 Aug 1848 – drowned in the Sequatchie River in Marion Co. TN on the way to visit a brother in GA. Martha was b. 6 Jan 1849. 14 Mar 1858, MM Sellers Ross remarried to William H Sanders (aka
Saunders) in Tippah MS and they had children, all b. in MS: Justiana b. 1859, and twin girls Irene and Ione b. 1862. William H Sanders was either b. in TN or KY and md. at least once before marriage to MM Sellers Ross (and had at least 7 children by first marriages). He died 29 Jul 1867 in Tippah MS and MMS Ross Sanders petitioned for dower 18 Nov 1867 (I do not have that record, only note of it).

In 1860 Jane Sellers and family are to be found in Tippah MS:

Jane Sellers:

Jane Sellers age 64 b. NC
Jettie Sellers age 28 b. NC
Ruth Sellers age 20 b. NC
Sarah Jane Ross age 14 b. TN

William H Saunders is also in Tippah in 1860 with MMSR and Justiana Saunders age 1 and children by MMSR´s first marriage and by William Sanders´s first marriage. Note that it is odd that Sarah Ross appears twice in the census, both with her mother and with her grandmother. I have full census data if anyone wants it.

In 1870 in Tippah:

Jane “Selars” (Ripley P.O.) age 74 b. NC
Jetty S. Selars age 35 NC Jettie J Sellers md. Mr. Gossett Jun 22 1875, Tippah MS

I don´t know where MMS Ross Sanders was in 1870

In 1880 Tippah MS:

Joseph B Pummell (name should be PURNELL) age 50 SC SC SC
Sarah JE age 34 TN NC NC
James D age 12 MS SC TN
Jettie E age 10 MS SC TN
Joseph B age 6 MS SC TN
Oliver H age 3 MS SC TN
Manerva M Sanders age 53 NC NC NC
Justana E Sanders 20 MS NC NC
Ione Sanders 18 MS NC NC
Irene Sanders 18 MS NC NC
W W Bailey 45 MS NC TN
Ruthia E 40 NC NC NC
Edmund I 14 MS MS NC
George S 12 MS MS NC
Jetta S Gossett 44 NC NC NC (ck Pope Co., AR, per Georgia)

Ruthia E is Ruth E Sellers and Jetta S Gossett is Justiana Sellers. According to Goodspeeds biography of William W Bailey, Ruth Sellers was the niece of John Wesley Thompson. John Wesley Thompson was b. 28 Apr 1809 in Haywood Co NC. His parents were Nathan Thompson, a Methodist clergyman, b. 1762 in NJ and Esther Black, b. in Lincoln NC. John Wesley Thompson md. Justiana Dickerson Wood of NC? I have some more but all is second hand.

Does any of this ring a bell to anyone? And does anyone have an idea as to who the parents of Jane (Sellers) b. 1796 and Mr. Sellers (if she had a husband Mr. Sellers) were???

Thank you very much,

Linda Peacock
linda peacock [lindapeacock@vip.cybercity.dk]

I would like to subscribe to the Sellers-L mailing list if I may.

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LINDA, thank you for dates, places. Helps so much. Will send thro our SELLERS discussion group and hope someone connects.

I/we don't have a lot of info on COFFEE CO, TN = COFFEE CO, TN (made in January 8, 1836, from parts of Franklin, Bedford, and Warren Counties.

How did you Prove this marriage = MM(MINERVA SELLERS to ROSS) We/I don't have all,but, don't see on TN marriages we have? We/I don't have a lot posted on St Francious, MO! So how can we know very much.

I did NOT see a NC or TN marriage that seemed to match for JANE , wife of ? SELLERS. Do you have Birth Place of any of kids = civil war records, etc? WE need the NC town/county to study/prove.

YES, would like where JAMES R. SELLERS 1850 MO went to , esp in TN. Where in 1860???

THANKS for sharing SELLERS

marie, iowa

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The proof of the marriage of Maragaret Minerva Sellers to Oliver Franklin Ross is: 1) information from the family bible of Oliver´s mother, Sarah Bonham Ross, 2) Oliver´s obituary and 3)a marriage record I found (but have to retrace as I cannot find it in my computer notes).

>From the Nashville Christian Advocate Oct 27, 1848:

Oliver F. Ross, sixth son of Rise F. and Sarah Ross, born Bedford Co., Tenn., July 12, 1825, married Margaret M. Sellors, July 15, 1844, drowned Sequachee River on the way to visit his brother in Geaorgia, August 25, 1848.

Note that Oliver´s father was Rice Farrar Ross (not Rise) and Margaret spelled her name Sellers. Oliver´s other siblings were married in Bedford Co. TN.

I know nothing of St. Francis MO either and have no idea why the family was there being they ended up in Tippah MS. Wouldn´t that be a round about way of getting there?

The only clues I have as to where Margaret Minerva Sellers may have been born are 1) census data where Margaret and her sisters consistently said that they and BOTH of their parents were born in NC 2) an article posted on the Sellers site under Franklin Ark - article about Capt. William W. Bailey which states that his wife Ruth E Sellers was b. in Rutherford County NC Sept. 27, 1839. (Ruth E. Sellers was sister of Margaret Minerva Sellers) The article also states that Ruth E. Sellers was a niece of Judge John W. Thompson. Interestingly, in searching Judge Thompson´s tree I found that he is said to have married a Justiana Dickerson or Dickenson Wood or Word or Ward? The name Justiana is interesting in that Maragaret Minerva Sellers and Ruth E. Sellers also had a sister named Justiana. John Wesley Thompson was born in Haywood Co. NC 28 Apr 1809.

I don´t know where James R Sellers was in 1860, probably in MS. A Ross cousin, Catherine Cooper, found JR in the 1870 and 1880 census.

1870 Marshall Co. MS, Holly Springs P.O.

J.R. Sellers, 20, m, w, Dentist, $150, b. MO

My cousin noted that her ancestor Bezaleel Wier Ross was also a dentist in the same town and that perhaps JR Sellers apprenticed with him as they were family.

1880 Fayette Co. TN

James Sellers, married, male, white, 30, b. MO, farmer, father b. NC, mother b. TN Nannie, wife, female, white, 26, b. TN, housekeeper, father b. NC, mother b. TN Emma, daughter, single, female, white, 8, b. MS, father b. MO, mother b. TN Pearl, daughter, single, female, white, b. TN, father b. MO, mother b. TN

So James must have left MS and gone to TN between 1872 and 1878.

I think James´father John Sellers was also living in Fayette in 1880, with a new wife. I stumbled by that by chance at Family Search. Looked up James R Sellers and on next page of census was John Sellers.

Thank you,

Linda Peacock

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To All,

Am forwarding this thread from Georgia with the following update - hope that is okay Georgia. Realize we are just following various clues at this point, so nothing is written in stone, though I wish it were!!

Have followed up some more as to Georgia´s lead as to possible Thompson relatives of my Jane unknown who md Mr. Sellers. In that Georgia had this family in her database as a Thompson connection, it is interesting.

Have been trying to find male Sellers descendents - no luck so far but do have this follow-up as to family of James R Sellers, nephew of my Margaret Minerva Sellers by her brother John Sellers:

Found this info at Ancestry.com One World tree:

James R. Sellers was perhaps md. twice (first in 1872 and 2nd in 1878)(though I am not sure that the census data supports that conclusion). Never the less, by his wife Nancy MORRIS b. 1856, Sommerville, TN, d. 1906 in TN, buried Friendship Cmty, James R Sellers had the following children:

Ruby
May
Ruth Onyx b. 8 Jan 1893 Moscow, Fayette Co. TN (d. 9 Nov 1976 Memphis TN) md. John Neil Hastings b. 9 Jul 1890 Jackson TN (d. 5 Jan 1984 Memphis TN), md. 16 Mar 1916, St. Patricks Church, Memphis TN. Children - John McDermott Hastings b. 26 Aug 1917 Memphis TN and Ruth Katherine Hastings b. 7 Aug 1921 Memphis TN.

JR Sellers is, according to this tree, said to have died 1912 in Jackson TN.

Linda

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Fra: Georgia L. Fletcher [mailto:chickfletcher@comcast.net]
Sendt: 4. juli 2006 21:26
Til: linda peacock
Emne: Re: [SELLERS] RUTH SELLERS 1839 RUTHERFORD CO, NC/ST FRANCOIS, MO/TIPPAH CO, MS

1900 Fayette County, Tennessee
enumerated 15 June 1900
13th District
Page 266B
James R. Sellers, head, W, M, September 1849, age 50, married 25 years, MO,
NC, TN, farmer
Nancy A. Sellers, wife, W, F, May 1855, age 45, married 25 years, 9 children

born, 6 children living, TN, TN, NC
Ruby Sellers, daughter, W, F, June 1881, age 18, single, TN, MO, TN James R. Sellers, son, W, M, August 1884, age 15, single, TN, MO, TN Opal M. Sellers, daughter, W, F, March 1888, age 12, single, TN, MO, TN Nannie Sellers, daughter, W, F, April 1890, age 10, single, TN, MO, TN Any? Sellers, daughter, W, F, January 1892, age 8, single, TN, MO, TN


Georgia #1


----- Original Message -----
From: "linda peacock" <lindapeacock@vip.cybercity.dk>
To: "'Georgia L. Fletcher'" <chickfletcher@comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 1:44 PM
Subject: SV: [SELLERS] RUTH SELLERS 1839 RUTHERFORD CO, NC/ST FRANCOIS,
MO/TIPPAH CO, MS


Am with you as to that, that must be the course. A DNA test would either support the connection or shut it out.

The John Sellers living in Fayette TN who may have been the brother of my Margaret Minerva, and living with a different wife than the mother of James R Sellers b. in MO, also had a son named Robert, b. ca. 1875 (b. MS). Son John was b. ca. 1869 in MS.

So I still think we are talking about different families although we could be talking about allied families, for which reason a DNA test could also help.

When was the John R. Sellers in Fayette TN in 1900 born?

Linda

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Fra: Georgia L. Fletcher [mailto:chickfletcher@comcast.net]
Sendt: 4. juli 2006 20:32
Til: linda peacock
Emne: Re: [SELLERS] RUTH SELLERS 1839 RUTHERFORD CO, NC/ST FRANCOIS, MO/TIPPAH CO, MS

John R. Sellers is living in 1900 Fayette County, Tennessee with a new wife and family. He had mostly daughters but did have a son, John R. Sellers, Jr. born August 1884. I can't find them in 1910 however. We could open or shut all sorts of possibilities with a DNA test on this line.

This is why I never searched this line - too many James Sellers. The James Sellers that married Elizabeth Brock is not the correct line. This is from the Rev. War James Sellers that lived in Grainger County, TN. That line is of German Descent.

Georgia

----- Original Message -----
From: "linda peacock" <lindapeacock@vip.cybercity.dk>
To: "'Georgia L. Fletcher'" <chickfletcher@comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 1:07 PM
Subject: SV: [SELLERS] RUTH SELLERS 1839 RUTHERFORD CO, NC/ST FRANCOIS, MO/TIPPAH CO, MS


Georgia,

Good idea!

Have meanwhile been searching high and low and could not find any connection between my Sellers family and Robert Sellers, Sr.´s family. Does not mean that it is not there, but could not find the Thompson connection. The only James Sellers I found b. about 1792 in NC md. an Elizabeth Brock. I have been at Ancestry, Family Search, Rootsweb, Gencircles and My Tree. Have not found anything that matches and have also searched the "known" sons and daughters.

Therefore, a DNA test might help.

Sooo .. we need to locate male heirs of John Sellers living in MO in 1850 and of son James R. Sellers also living there 1850 and both? Living in Fayette TN in 1880.

Linda

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Georgia L. Fletcher [mailto:chickfletcher@comcast.net]
Sendt: 4. juli 2006 19:06
Til: linda peacock
Emne: Re: [SELLERS] RUTH SELLERS 1839 RUTHERFORD CO, NC/ST FRANCOIS, MO/TIPPAH CO, MS

Linda, we need to find a living male Sellers from your branch for DNA testing. We have several Sellers List members that have been tested from Robert Sellers, Sr. of Burke County, NC and his brother, James T or Y Sellers who died in Chatham County, NC in 1805. James T or Y Sellers is my branch of Sellers but I descend through a female line of a granddaughter of James T or Y Sellers that went to Maury County, TN

Many of my notes are from an Isaac Sellers who wrote down the family history

in 1912. He was living in Texas at the time but people were still alive that could remember the family. Most of his notes have been very accurate but he tended to ignore the females lineage.

We need to see if we can find out if Ruth E. Sellers is indeed Ester. Do you know when she died? I am assuming in Franklin County, Arkansas.

Georgia #1

----- Original Message -----
From: "linda peacock" <lindapeacock@vip.cybercity.dk>
To: "'Georgia L. Fletcher'" <chickfletcher@comcast.net>; <SELLERS-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 10:10 AM
Subject: SV: [SELLERS] RUTH SELLERS 1839 RUTHERFORD CO, NC/ST FRANCOIS, MO/TIPPAH CO, MS


Hi Georgia,

That´s an interesting lead. James Sellers b. 1792 Burke Co. could be a possibility. Age would be right to be husband of Jane Unknown. Children would also fit if Ester is Ruth E. Sellers. Connection to Rutherford NC also fits.

Thank you!

I´ll do some more research on the family and let you know what I turn up.

Linda

MO/TIPPAH CO, MS

This is from family tradition on the line of Robert Sellers Sr. of Burke County, NC:

I have not researched this line so I have nothing further to add:

Robert Sellers, Sr. married Sarah Unknown - died Burke County, NC 1800-1810 son John Sellers, born about 1758 married Unknown John had a son, James Sellers, born about 1792 Burke County, NC and died in Tennessee, who married an unknown Thompson Children listed of James Sellers and Unknown Thompson: Nathan Sellers James Sellers John Sellers Ester Sellers (Could this be Ruth E. Sellers?) Manerva Sellers

I don't have dates on any of the children.

Robert Sellers, Sr.'s daughter, Mary Sellers, married Micajah Hall 26 September 1796 in Rutherford County, NC Robert Sellers, Sr.'s last son, Jacob Sellers, married Anna Scott 29 July 1800 in Rutherford County, NC

I'm just grasping at straws but I remembered in my database that I had a Sellers married to an Unknown Thompson and they went to Tennessee.

Georgia #1

----- Original Message -----
From: "linda peacock" <lindapeacock@vip.cybercity.dk>
To: <SELLERS-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 2:40 PM
Subject: SV: [SELLERS] RUTH SELLERS 1839 RUTHERFORD CO, NC/ST FRANCOIS, MO/TIPPAH CO, MS


> Marie,
>
> Thank you!
>
> I have also been searching high and low, to no avail so far. I think
> Jane Sellers could either have been a THOMPSON or a WORD. I have tried
> looking at both families.
>
> The Thompson family of John Wesley Thompson (father Reverend Nathan
> Thompson b. 28 Aug 1762 NJ and mother Esther or Hester BLACK b. 17 Jan
> 1769 Rowan Co.
> NC, md. 19 Aug 1785 in Lincoln Co. NC): there are said to have been up to
> 12
> children and found supposed children: Elizabeth Thompson b. 1786 or name
> Esther Eliza b. 1800?; Mary "Polly" Thompson b. 1787 Lincoln NC or 1802
> (md.
> Alexander Crisp?); Miranda Thompson b. 1788 Lincoln NC;
> Nancy Thompson b. 1790 Lincoln NC; a Samuel and a Jesse Thompson both b.
> 1792 Rutherford Co. NC; Nathan Thompson b. 1794 Lincoln NC; Ruth
> Richardson
> Thompson b. 1802 NC, William Thompson b. ?; and John Wesley Thompson b.
> 1809
> Haywood Co. NC (now we are really beginning to stretch poor Esther´s
> capacity to have children if she was indeed b. 1769 and had all of those
> other children + JW b. 1809!). I have no documentation of any of this,
> just
> starting points, gleaned from trees online and message boards.
>
> Other THOMPSON,BLACK and SELLERS connections: A Sarah Thompson md. a
> Willets Sellers 13 May 1806 Brunswick NC. My Jane (Sellers) would only
> have been age
> 10 at the time. A Frances M Black b. 1838 in New Hanover Co. NC, md. 24
> Apr.
> 1858 a John Wesley Sellers in Columbus NC. A Jacob Black b. 1785 VA md a
> Margaret Sellers b. 1790, Jefferson Co. TN (sorry - not in my notes as to
> whether marriage was in TN or birth of Margaret Sellers was in TN, but not
> my Jane). Reverend Nathan THOMPSON was a METHODIST missionary and Oliver
> Franklin Ross was a METHODIST minister and there were two SELLERS
> METHODIST
> minsters working the MISSISSIPPI Circuit around the time Jane Unknown and
> Unknown Mr. Sellers would have been having children and those were a
> Samuel
> Sellers and his brother John - just throwing that in here as Judge
> Thompson´s father was also a Methodist minister - so perhaps a connection
> there?
>
> As to the WORDs, I find that family interesting as Jane (Sellers´s )
> possible family, due to naming traditions. Margaret Minerva Sellers
> (daughter of Jane (Sellers)) had a sister named Justiana and a child
> named Justiana and John Wesley Thompson´s wife (possible aunt of Ruth
> E. Sellers and thereby of MM Sellers) was named Justiana (Justianna)
> Dickenson
> (Dickerson) Word. Futhermore, the mother of Justiana Dickenson Word, who
> would also have been the mother of Jane (Sellers), was also named
> Justiana.
> Justiana Dickenson md. Thomas A. Word. Will have to return with further
> details as I did not record all details of children of that marriage as I
> saw no Jane´s or anyone who could be. Actually, there IS nothing recorded
> there as to a possible Jane Word who md. a Sellers, but doesn´t mean it
> isn´t so. What I DID find at Genforum was an interesting query from a
> woman
> in Texas who claimed that she had a Thomas Word ancestor and that her
> ancestor was a MARGARET MINERVA WORD. Now, that is odd. The person who
> answered the query stated that her documentation was uncertain, but the
> details she gave as to what she had gleaned, left it "unquestionable" that
> the WORD family did not have such members. Think that is a lesson to us
> not
> to be so assured in what MUST be uncertain premises UNLESS we have
> documentation, that we kill all dialogue. Did a "google" and a "dogpile"
> search for the WORD family and that was almost as frustrating as searching
> for "SELLERS" (get all kinds of documents mentioning "words" and
> "sellers").
> Kept coming up with William Faulkner, the author and got really irritated.
> However, it turns out that his mother? was Caroline Word and in the
> family
> of Justiana Word? I have NOT checked this out entirely as searching for
> "famous" relatives basically turns me off, was just trying to search for
> WORD´S and also saw that in the file of a biographer of William Faulkner,
> there was correspondence between Justiana Word and John Wesley Thompson
> and
> William Faulkner and noted that William Faulkner had children James Wesley
> Thompson Faulkner and Justiana Faulkner???? (I have NOT researched this
> thoroughly at all - but do know that there was a connection between the
> William Faulkner family and the Word family.
>
> Both Judge Thompson and Justianna Dickenson Word Thompson are said to
> be buried at "Rucker" Cmtý in Union Co. MS? I cannot find that
> cemetery!!!
>
> WORD, SELLERS connections otherwise: at Genforum, found a ref. to a
> Cuthbert WORD of Bedford Co. TN who md. an unk. Jane but that was in
> the 1830´s so too late to have been my Jane.
>
> I have looked for obits, cemetery references and all, in trying to
> track down the family. I still do not know why Jane Sellers and family
> were in MO in 1850. Tippah MS is close to where MM Sellers Ross was in
> TN at the time of Oliver Franklin Ross´s death in 1848. But,St.
> Francis MO is not close.
>
> As a PS: The family of John Sellers (brother of MM Sellers?) appears
> in the 1880, Fayette Co. TN census, district 12 next door to JR
> Sellers:
>
> John Sellers age 52 NC NC NC
> Jane Sellers age 28 AL SC GA
> John Sellers age 11 MS SC NC (? - as to parent´s places of birth) Mary
> Sellers age 8 MS SC NC """" Robert Sellers age 5 MS SC NC """"
> Martha Sellers age 11 mo. MS SC NC """"
>
> That´s what I have for now and this part of my family history is
> undocumented!!!! Just following clues. Trying to determine my direct
> maternal line. Find that more challenging.
>
> Thanks again,
> Linda
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: marie sellers hollinger [mailto:mari@netins.net]
> Sendt: 3. juli 2006 04:57
> Til: SELLERS-L@rootsweb.com
> Emne: [SELLERS] RUTH SELLERS 1839 RUTHERFORD CO, NC/ST FRANCOIS,
> MO/TIPPAH CO, MS
>
> LINDA, thanks.
>
> STUDIED some. Seems a possibility that this JANE SELLERS could be a
> THOMPSON? (dau was neice of his/or if by marriage of his wife is
> possible
> also?)
> Have you studied his family? Her brother?? Could have an obit/history in
> TIPPAH CO , MS or where he died
>
> We still need a JANE married to SELLERS and I can't seem to find a
> provable one!!
>
> I haven't had much time, but I think the Thompson family should be
> checked out. But, Your ROSS family is older and I didn't search on
> them = kinda thought you had already done.
>
> YOU have a good chart started, NEED another child connected here.
> SOMETIME, you need to check several kids out to find a clue!!
>
> HOW about a time chart on Minerva or Ruth? Sometimes helps.
> Dates/Places =
>
> A fast check on CW in MS = didn't see much, but, should be checked for
> TN also. THESE MS and TN counties lay Next to each other = ALL lay
> next to each other, So, check TN and MS.
> They may Not have moved? County lines may have changed. I didn't check
> now,
> but should be .
>
> And JANE SELLERS is still here in 1870? TIPPAH CO, MS. Living with dau
> Ruth? (a little younger, but appears same, msh)
> OBIT/CEMETERY available?
> 1870 TIPPAH CO, MS =
> W W Bailey Township 4 Range 4, Tippah, MS abt 1834 Mississippi White Male
> (ck Franklin Co, Ar)
> Ruth E Bailey Township 4 Range 4, Tippah, MS abt 1839 North Carolina White
> Female
> Edmond Bailey Township 4 Range 4, Tippah, MS abt 1865 Mississippi White
> Male
>
> George Bailey Township 4 Range 4, Tippah, MS abt 1867 Mississippi
> White Male
>
> JANE SELARS 64 NC
> JETTY S. 35 NC
>
> Thanks for sharing SELLERS.
> marie, iowa
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: linda peacock [mailto:lindapeacock@vip.cybercity.dk]
> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 8:51 AM
> To: SELLERS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: [SELLERS] VS: Sellers from NC (for a long time) to MO
> (briefly) to MS (for a fairly long time) and to parts beyond
>
>
>
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: linda peacock [mailto:lindapeacock@vip.cybercity.dk]
> Sendt: 1. juli 2006 08:54
> Til: 'marie sellers hollinger'
> Emne: SV: {not a subscriber} Sellers from NC (for a long time) to MO
> (briefly) to MS (for a fairly long time) and to parts beyond
>
> Hi Marie,
>
> The proof of the marriage of Maragaret Minerva Sellers to Oliver
> Franklin Ross is: 1) information from the family bible of Oliver´s
> mother, Sarah Bonham Ross, 2) Oliver´s obituary and 3)a marriage
> record I found (but have to retrace as I cannot find it in my computer
> notes).
>
>>From the Nashville Christian Advocate Oct 27, 1848:
>
> Oliver F. Ross, sixth son of Rise F. and Sarah Ross, born Bedford Co.,
> Tenn., July 12, 1825, married Margaret M. Sellors, July 15, 1844,
> drowned Sequachee River on the way to visit his brother in Geaorgia,
> August 25, 1848.
>
> Note that Oliver´s father was Rice Farrar Ross (not Rise) and Margaret
> spelled her name Sellers. Oliver´s other siblings were married in
> Bedford Co. TN.
>
> I know nothing of St. Francis MO either and have no idea why the
> family was there being they ended up in Tippah MS. Wouldn´t that be a
> round about way of getting there?
>
> The only clues I have as to where Margaret Minerva Sellers may have
> been born are 1) census data where Margaret and her sisters
> consistently said that they and BOTH of their parents were born in NC
> 2) an article posted on the Sellers site under Franklin Ark - article
> about Capt. William W. Bailey
> which states that his wife Ruth E Sellers was b. in Rutherford County NC
> Sept. 27, 1839. (Ruth E. Sellers was sister of Margaret Minerva Sellers)
> The
> article also states that Ruth E. Sellers was a niece of Judge John W.
> Thompson. Interestingly, in searching Judge Thompson´s tree I found that
> he
> is said to have married a Justiana Dickerson or Dickenson Wood or Word or
> Ward? The name Justiana is interesting in that Maragaret Minerva Sellers
> and
> Ruth E. Sellers also had a sister named Justiana. John Wesley Thompson was
> born in Haywood Co. NC 28 Apr 1809.
>
> I don´t know where James R Sellers was in 1860, probably in MS. A Ross
> cousin, Catherine Cooper, found JR in the 1870 and 1880 census.
>
> 1870 Marshall Co. MS, Holly Springs P.O.
>
> J.R. Sellers, 20, m, w, Dentist, $150, b. MO
>
> My cousin noted that her ancestor Bezaleel Wier Ross was also a
> dentist in the same town and that perhaps JR Sellers apprenticed with
> him as they were family.
>
> 1880 Fayette Co. TN
>
> James Sellers, married, male, white, 30, b. MO, farmer, father b. NC,
> mother b. TN Nannie, wife, female, white, 26, b. TN, housekeeper,
> father b. NC, mother b. TN Emma, daughter, single, female, white, 8,
> b. MS, father b. MO,
> mother b. TN Pearl, daughter, single, female, white, b. TN, father b. MO,
> mother b. TN
>
> So James must have left MS and gone to TN between 1872 and 1878.
>
> I think James´father John Sellers was also living in Fayette in 1880,
> with

> a
> new wife. I stumbled by that by chance at Family Search. Looked up
> James R Sellers and on next page of census was John Sellers.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Linda Peacock
>
>
>
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: marie sellers hollinger [mailto:mari@netins.net]
> Sendt: 1. juli 2006 02:52
> Til: 'linda peacock'; SELLERS-L@rootsweb.com
> Emne: RE: {not a subscriber} Sellers from NC (for a long time) to MO
> (briefly) to MS (for a fairly long time) and to parts beyond
>
> LINDA, thank you for dates, places. Helps so much. Will send thro our
> SELLERS discussion group and hope someone connects.
>
> I/we don't have a lot of info on COFFEE CO, TN = COFFEE CO, TN (made
> in January 8, 1836, from parts of Franklin, Bedford, and Warren
> Counties.
>
> How did you Prove this marriage = MM(MINERVA SELLERS to ROSS) We/I
> don't have all,but, don't see on TN marriages we have? We/I don't have
> a lot posted on St Francious, MO! So how can we know very much.
>
> I did NOT see a NC or TN marriage that seemed to match for JANE ,
> wife of ? SELLERS. Do you have Birth Place of any of kids = civil war
> records, etc?
> WE need the NC town/county to study/prove.
>
> YES, would like where JAMES R. SELLERS 1850 MO went to , esp in TN.
> Where in 1860???
>
> THANKS for sharing SELLERS
>
> marie, iowa
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: linda peacock [mailto:lindapeacock@vip.cybercity.dk]
> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 12:34 PM
> To: SELLERS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: {not a subscriber} Sellers from NC (for a long time) to MO
> (briefly) to MS (for a fairly long time) and to parts beyond
>
>
> Hello all,
>
>
>
> Thanks for your very nice Sellers site, for your activity in general
> at Rootsweb, etc. and for your documentation! You are all doing a
> superior service in documenting the family relations - have so far not
> found the like anywhere else.
>
>
>
> I am trying to trace my direct female ancestry and have so far landed
> at Jane (Sellers), b. 1796 in NC, living in St. Francis Co. MO,
> District 10, in 1850 as head of family:
>
>
>
> Jane Sellers age 54 b. NC
>
>
>
> Minerva Ross age 24 or -6 b. NC
>
>
>
> James R Sellers age 8/12 b. MO (I have more as to JR if anyone needs
> that data - he was in MS age 20 and moved to TN age 30)
>
>
>
> John Sellers age 22 b. NC
>
>
>
> Emily Sellers age 22 b. TN
>
>
>
> Jane E Ross age 3 b. TN
>
>
>
> Martha Ross age 1 b. TN
>
>
>
> Justiana Sellers age 15 b. NC
>
>
>
> Ruth E Sellers age 9 b. NC
>
>
>
> Minerva Ross in this census is my ggg grandmother Margaret Minerva
> Sellers, and Jane E Ross and Martha Ross (my gg grandmother) were her
> children by her
> first marriage to Oliver Franklin Ross. MM Sellers md. Oliver Franklin
> Ross
> 15 July 1844 in Coffee Co. TN. Oliver was a Methodist minister and son of
> Rice Farrar Ross (b. 1776 SC, NC or GA, parents unknown) and Sarah Bonham
> (b. NC). Sarah Bonham´s father and mother Absalom Bonham and Rebecca Cox
> Bonham, were from NJ (more documentation can be provided) and lived in
> Lincolnton, Lincoln NC from 1785-1794.
>
>
>
> Oliver Franklin Ross and MM Sellers Ross had 2 children: Sarah JANE
> Ellis Ross (= Sarah E Ross in census above) and Martha Verlincha
> Franklin Ross (= Martha in census above). Oliver died 25 Aug 1848 -
> drowned in the Sequatchie
> River in Marion Co. TN on the way to visit a brother in GA. Martha was b.
> 6
> Jan 1849. 14 Mar 1858, MM Sellers Ross remarried to William H Sanders (aka
> Saunders) in Tippah MS and they had children, all b. in MS: Justiana b.
> 1859, and twin girls Irene and Ione b. 1862. William H Sanders was either
> b. in TN or KY and md. at least once before marriage to MM Sellers Ross
> (and
> had at least 7 children by first marriages). He died 29 Jul 1867 in Tippah
> MS and MMS Ross Sanders petitioned for dower 18 Nov 1867 (I do not have
> that
> record, only note of it).
>
>
>
> In 1860 Jane Sellers and family are to be found in Tippah MS:

> Jane Sellers:

> Jane Sellers age 64 b. NC

> Jettie Sellers age 28 b. NC

> Ruth Sellers age 20 b. NC

> Sarah Jane Ross age 14 b. TN

> William H Saunders is also in Tippah in 1860 with MMSR and Justiana
> Saunders age 1 and children by MMSR´s first marriage and by William
> Sanders´s first marriage. Note that it is odd that Sarah Ross appears
> twice in the census, both with her mother and with her grandmother. I
> have full census data if anyone wants it.
>

> In 1870 in Tippah:

> Jane "Selars" (Ripley P.O.) age 74 b. NC

> Jetty S. Selars age 35 NC

> Jettie J Sellers md. Mr. Gossett Jun 22 1875, Tippah MS

> I don´t know where MMS Ross Sanders was in 1870
>
>
>
> In 1880 Tippah MS:

> Joseph B Pummell (name should be PURNELL) age 50 SC SC SC

> Sarah JE age 34 TN NC NC

> James D age 12 MS SC TN

> Jettie E age 10 MS SC TN

> Joseph B age 6 MS SC TN

> Oliver H age 3 MS SC TN

> Manerva M Sanders age 53 NC NC NC

> Justana E Sanders 20 MS NC NC

> Ione Sanders 18 MS NC NC

> Irene Sanders 18 MS NC NC

> W W Bailey 45 MS NC TN

> Ruthia E 40 NC NC NC

> Edmund I 14 MS MS NC

> George S 12 MS MS NC

> Jetta S Gossett 44 NC NC NC

> Ruthia E is Ruth E Sellers and Jetta S Gossett is Justiana Sellers.
> According to Goodspeeds biography of William W Bailey, Ruth Sellers
> was the niece of John Wesley Thompson. John Wesley Thompson was b. 28
> Apr 1809 in Haywood Co NC. His parents were Nathan Thompson, a
> Methodist clergyman, b. 1762 in NJ and Esther Black, b. in Lincoln NC.
> John Wesley Thompson md. Justiana Dickerson Wood of NC? I have some
> more but all is second hand.
>
>
>
> Does any of this ring a bell to anyone? And does anyone have an idea
> as to who the parents of Jane (Sellers) b. 1796 and Mr. Sellers (if
> she had a husband Mr. Sellers) were???
>
>
>
> Thank you very much,
>
> Linda Peacock
>
>
>
> I would like to subscribe to the Sellers-L mailing list if I may.
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Linda, thanks for your response to my Gen forum listing.
The earliest I have of the use of the name Jestianna (Justiana, Jesten, Jestina, Justina, Jettie etc) is my ancestor Jestianna Dickenson, b. Mar-Apr 1776 who married 1792 in Surry Co., NC to Thomas Adams Word,parents of Jestianna Dickenson Word. I put the name Sellers into my search list and came up with no listing. I tried to see where the Seller connection came from but no luck. I have traced descendants of Jestianna Dickenson and Thomas Adams Word and would be glad to answer any questions on those lines. I see several named Jettie. Variations of the name appear in the Dickenson descendants also.
Bob Gardner
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Re: James Dickenson (Dickerson)-Bryson-Word
Posted by: Linda Peacock (ID *****7360) Date: July 10, 2006 at 08:50:13
In Reply to: Re: James Dickenson (Dickerson)-Bryson-Word by Robert Gardner of 424


Robert:
I have not been able to find the Sellers marriage either, just going on the bio that says that Ruth E Sellers was the niece of J W Thompson and Justianna Dickenson Word Thompson. That would seem to indicate that Ruth´s mother Jane was either a Thompson or a Sellers.
1) Are all of the Word girls accounted for as to who they married? If so, what is the documentation? I saw that there is supposed to be an account by a James Word, grandson of Charles Word, that seems somewhat confused as to the number of daughters by James Dickenson Word and Amelia Monroe Hooper - he lists 3 daughters but names 4, one being a Sarah Jane. My Jane would not have been a daughter of James Dickenson Word and Amelia Monroe Hooper as she was b. in 1796, but is it possible James Word got mixed up in his account and that there was a "Sarah Jane" Word who was the daughter of Thomas Adams Word and Justianna Dickenson? Maragaret Minerva Sellers (Ross), daughter of Jane (Word or Thompson)named her first born child "Sarah Jane" Ellis Ross and as already noted, her 3rd daughter was named "Justianna".
2) I have wondered why Jane and family were in NC until at least 27 Sep 1839 when Ruth E Sellers was b. in NC and were perhaps in TN but possibly still in NC when MM Sellers md. Oliver Franklin Ross in 1844, to migrate to St. Francis MO where they were in 1850 to get to Tippah MS where they were in 1860. (Migrating through MO is a long way to get from where they were in NC/TN to Tippah MS which is just a stone´s cast away. Of course they may have been fleeing from the Civil War and it looks like, if they left as a group, they left between Jan 1849 and end of 1849. Or they may have been going to join family.)
3) Found an interesting parallel in the bio of Col. William Clark Falkner (found at Genweb for Tippah MS), whose parents William Joseph Falkner and Caroline Word (sister of Justianna Dickenson Word) migrated from NC through Knox TN where WC Falkner was b. in 1825 and where children were b. until Frances(or -is) Falkner was b. 1839 in MO. Apparently W C Falkner left MO abt 1842 and went to Tippah MS, where his uncle JW Thompson (also uncle of Ruth E Sellers) was living (another bio says he went to another CO in MS to another uncle Word). The point is that both my Sellers family and the Falkners went from NC/TN through MO to the same area of MS.
4) It is said that William Joseph Falkner died in MO in abt 1842 and that Caroline Word Falkner died in MS. Do you know when she went to MS, if she did?

I realize you cannot answer all of these questions but hope you can provide info as to the documentation for the children of Thomas Adams Word and Justianna Dickenson.

Thanks,
Linda


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Linda, Genealogy.com did not send my message so will try again. Question 1: All the Word girls are accounted as to whom they married. Question 2: I really should try to list what I have on the children of Thomas Adams Word, part from Kay Cunningham (RCunni7625)@aol.com and Becky Smith (nokomts@Ktc.com and my own research. The Hooper genealogical notes say there were 9 children, 6? boys and three girls. I don't show 2 of the sons they call, (was it John?) and Cuthbert. In the 1800 census of Surry Co., NC they list 2 sons and one daughter as born 1790-1800. The two sons were Martin D. 1792 and James D. 1797. The one daughter I thought was Caroline b. 1800? However, census takes sometimes mark people in the wrong column. Thomas A. Word went to Habersham Co., GA about 1824 taking Thomas Jefferson Word, b. 1805, the attorney, with him, but I believe James Dickenson Word, having married in 1816 remained in Surry Co., going to Franklin co., GA by 1826, then on to Tishimingo Co., MS by 1835? Now, rereading the 1830 census of Habersham Co.,NC, we find on page 18, what appears to be Thomas A. Word 50-60 (understated), Polly Word 10-15,Lucy Word 40-50 (who is she?) and a Sally Word, on pg. 65. If Caroline was not the one mentioned in 1800, then Sally could be your Sarah Jane. (Possible, but no proof). Question 3 and 4, the Falkners had a Jettie Word also, Caroline Word die in Ripley, Tippah Co., MS in Ripley, Tippah Co., MS, but I don't know when she went there. Thomas Jefferson Word went on to Pontotoc co., MS and served in the legistature there, then on to Marshal co., MS and Palestine, Anderson Co., TX. I will send this off without answering some of your questions, so write me again

Robert (Bob) Gardner

 

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from LINDA
linda peacock [lindapeacock@vip.cybercity.dk]

Have compiled this particular document with the help of my cousins, Catherine Cooper, who did the proof reading and helped me in finding the data and in correcting the summary and Brownie Mackie, who has always been helpful in providing family data and finding data. Catherine is a “Ross” cousin and Brownie is a “Bonham” cousin. Both are serious researchers who are dedicated to finding the truth no matter what the “so-called” family history. Both are good investigators and interested in documenting the facts.

The purpose of the document is an attempt to trace the maternal roots of my maternal family, which of course is often difficult. This is a summary of what we have found so far. Would appreciate it if any Sellers´s recognize any of the families in the 1840 US census data I have included as to potential parents of Margaret Minerva Sellers. I fsome can be eliminated right away, that would help. If some seem possible, that would help.

Thanks, Linda

 

Possible parents of Margaret Minerva Sellers

Margaret Minerva Sellers was born in North Carolina in 1824-8 (census data is inconsistent). In the 1850 census (St. Francois MO) Minerva Ross is age 24 or 26 (difficult to decipher); in the 1860 census (Tippah Co. MS, Cornersville) Maragaret M Saunders is age 32; cannot find Minerva in 1870; in 1880 census (Union Co., MS, Albany) Manerva M Sanders is age 53.

Margaret Sellers married twice: 1st husband Oliver Franklin Ross (b. July 12, 1825 Bedford Co. TN, died August 25, 1848 drowned in Sequatchie River in Marion Co. TN). Margaret and James married July 15, 1844 (source Oliver Franklin Ross´s obituary; family bible of Oliver´s mother Sarah Bonham Ross). Place of marriage thought to be Coffee Co. TN but place not documented. Margaret´s 2nd husband was William H Sanders. They md. in MS 14 Mar 1858 (Mississippi marriages Tippah Margaret M Rose (sic) to William H Sanders). WH Sanders died 29 July 1867 (Margaret petitioned for dower 18 Nov 1867- Tippah MS).

Question to ALL: would such a "petition for dower" provide any useful data if I could obtain a copy?

According to census data, both of Margaret´s parents were b. in NC. Margaret´s mother, Jane Sellers, is head of household in St. Francois MO census 1850, age 54 b. NC with:

John Sellers age 22, labourer b. NC

Emily Sellers age 22 b. TN (John´s wife) Emily is thought to be Emily F Ross (sister of Oliver Franklin Ross). (Oral family tradition, date of birth of Emily F Ross in family bible (of Oliver and Emily´s mother Sarah Bonham Ross) is 11 Dec 1827).. Marriage said to have taken place in Coffee Co. TN but do not have documentation of either marriage or place.

James R Sellers age 8/12 b. MO (John and Emily´s son) (means that the family was in MO prior to Jan 1850) Census taken 2 Aug 1850

Minerva Ross age 24 or 26 (is Margaret Minerva Sellers Ross) (hard to read) b. NC

Jane E Ross age 3 b. TN (daughter of Margaret and Oliver) full name Sarah Jane Ellis Ross

Martha Ross age 1 b. TN (daughter of Margaret and Oliver) full name Martha Verlinchia Franklin
Ross (b. 6 Jan 1849) means that family left TN after 6 Jan 1849 and was in MO as above for JR´s birth)

Justiana Sellers age 15 b. NC (Margaret´s sister)

Ruth E Sellers age 9 b. NC (Margaret´s sister) Ruth was b. 27 Sep 1839 in Rutherford Co. NC (according to Goodspeed´s bio of William W Bailey). (means that Jane Sellers and her children were in NC as late as that and that Mr. Sellers died ca. Dec 1838 at the earliest - hopefully after that so he and the family can be found in the 1840 US census). Margaret´s marriage (possibly) in Coffee Co. TN in 1844 means that the family MAY have moved to TN between 27 Sep 1839 and July 15 1844 - so in the 1840 US census the family would likely either be in NC or TN. But family could have been elsewhere and most likely in the Southern States.

Question: Why did the family go to Saint Francois MO? They ended up in Tippah MS, Union Co MS, Marshall Co. MS, Mc Nairy Co. TN and Fayette Co. TN. If they were on their way to MS, why go to MO? Was there some family there in 1850?


1860 US Census data


1860 Tippah Co. MS, Ripley P.O.

Jane Sellers age 64 b. NC
Jettie Sellers age 23, teaching school, b. NC (this is Justiana Sellers)
Ruth age 20 b. NC (this is Ruth E Sellers)
Sarah Jane Ross age 14 b. TN (this is Sarah Jane Ellis Ross, Margaret Minerva´s daughter)


1860 Tippah Co. MS, Cornersville

William H. Saunders age 40, farmer, b. KY (This is William H Sanders)
Margaret M Saunders age 32 b. NC (is Margaret Minerva Sellers)
Michael H Saunders age 18 b. KY
Mary E Saunders age 15 b. KY
James M Saunders age 13 b. KY
William F Saunders age 10 b. KY
Martha C Saunders age 7 b. KY
Fredonia A Saunders age 5 b. KY
Justiana E Saunders age 1 b. MS (daughter of MM Sellers and WH Sanders - named for Marageret´s sister and perhaps her grandmother?)
Sarah JE Ross age 15(?) b TN (this is Sarah Jane Ellis Ross, MM´s daughter with Oliver, registered twice in census)
Martha V Ross age 11 b. TN (is Martha Verlinchia Franklin Ross, MM´s daugheter with Oliver)

1860 Census McNairy TN, Dist. 5, Gravel Hill P.O.

JW Cellers age 32 Mill Oner (sic) NC (this is John Sellers, Margaret´s brother)
Emily F Cellers age 32 TN
James R Cellers age 10 MO (Census taken 19 July 1860)

All of the family members from 1850 have been located in 1860 and are either in MS or TN (McNairy TN abuts Tippah MS)

1870 US Census data

1870 Tippah Co. Range 4, Twsp 4, MS, Ripley P.O.

WW Bailey age 36 Farmer MS
Ruth E Bailey age 31 NC
Edmund Bailey age 5 MS
George Bailey age 3 MS
Jane Selars age 74 b. NC (is Jane Sellers)
Jetty S Selars age 35 NC (is Justiana Sellers)

According to Goodspeed´s biography of Capt. William W. Bailey of Franklin Co. AR, William was born in Tippah Co. MS, near Springhill June 27, 1834, son of Edmund I and Lydia D (Mullins) Bailey, of NC and TN, respectively. He married Ruth E. Sellers Sept. 14, 1864. Ruth E. Sellers was born in Rutherford Co. NC, Sept. 27, 1839. Ruth E. Sellers was the niece of Judge John W. Thompson (Ripley MS). (See more later as to how this gives clues as to parents of MM Sellers, John Sellers, Justiana Sellers and Ruth E Sellers).


1870 Marshall Co. MS, Twsp 5 Range 1

JW Sellers age 45 NC labourer (this is John W Sellers, Margaret´s brother - age is wrong)
Jane Sellers age 20 MS (second wife, or is she?)
John W Sellers age 1 MS

The data indicates that Emily Sellers, John´s first wife, died between 1860 and 1868-9. It is not known where or when she died but she appears to have been alive in the fall of 1860, according to a letter from her brother Absalom Bonham Ross (A.B. Ross) to his 1st cousin (JW McKissick) dated 8 Nov 1860 (see note from CC as to content) (letter provided by Brownie Mackie - descendent of JW McKissick and of Rebecca Bonham who was sister of Sarah Bonham Ross). Andy was Andrew Ross, brother of Emily Ross and A.B. Ross; "Zealy" was Bezaleel Wier Ross also brother of Andy, Emily, Oliver and Absalom Bonham Ross. Rivers Ross was a family historian.

It is not known whether John W Sellers age 1 in this census is child of Emily or of 2nd wife, Jane Sellers but data in both the 1870 and 1880 census would tend to "lump" the children together, as all of the children´s data are comparably "off" (i.e., in stating the father´s birthplace as SC and not NC, etc.). Also, if John were Emily´s son his mother should have been listed as b. in TN, bu due to the apparent inaccuracy of the data in both 1870 and 1880, not sure what to believe !). See also "mix ups in 1880 census data, which make me wonder whether John W Sellers was the father of any children other than James R Sellers!

Found a JW Sellers in Civil War Roster from Tippah, who may be John W Sellers (Pvt), Company B - Hovis´s Company, raised in Tippah Co. MS) - there are also an S Gossett (Pvt) and a William C Gossett (died Alton Prison IL, Oct 27, 1863) in same Company as J W Sellers. Do NOT know whether said JW Sellers is my Mararet Minerva´s brother.

[CC: In the letter from AB Ross to JW McKissick, AB states that brother Andy had gone by to visit Zealy and Emily. The 1860 census shows an A. E. Ross who appears to be Andrew E. Ross. If he were living in TX, he may have gone by TN and MS to visit family. Rivers Ross was told by someone in the family that Emily had married a Sellers and moved to Miss. around Holly Springs. However, it doesn't appear that he learned anything conclusive about Emily. The letter written by AB Ross was in Nov. 1860. Emily is listed on the census for McNairy Co., TN in July 1860. It's certainly possible that her family moved to MS in those four months. Or was she still living in TN when Andy went to visit her? Not enough data at this point to know.]

1870 Marsall Co. MS, Range 3

AF Calhoun age 33 TN
Anna R Calhoun age 25 TN
James B Calhoun age 3 TN
Ora Calhoun age 2 MS
Robert F Calhoun age 1 MS
Ellaren Calhoun age 73 TN
JR Sellers age 20 dentist MO (this is John and Emily´s son James R Sellers)

Bezaleel Wier Ross, brother of Emily F Ross Sellers was a dentist in Marshal Co MS at the time so possible that JR was apprenticing with his uncle (Catherine Cooper descendent of Bezaleel Wier
Ross)
[CC: After some thought, it seems as if JR would have been living with Bezaleel if he was his apprentice.]

1870 Pontotoc Co. MS, Twsp 7

William Dodds age 24 Farmer TN (is William Preston Dodds)
Martha age 20 TN (is Martha Verlincia Franklin Ross)
Ida age 2 MS
James age 11? (must be 11 mos) MS

So far have not been able to find Margaret Minerva Sellers Ross Sanders in the 1870 census and can´t find her daughter Sarah Jane Ellis Ross either. WH Sanders died in 1867 leaving MM with 3 young children by her second marriage, plus some young children by WH Sanders´s first marriage (need to track the children by Sanders´s first marriage). She´s not with her mother Jane or her brother John or sister Ruth or daughter MVF Ross Dodds. Sarah Jane Ellis Ross md Joseph B Purnell and MM Sellers Ross Sanders was living with her daughter and son-in-law in 1880, but Joseph Purnell was married to another woman in 1870, so am assuming that Sarah would be found under her maiden name Ross in 1870 (if she was not married before she married Joseph).


1870 Tippah Co. MS, Twsp 6 Range 2

All of the following appear to be living in the household of Simeon Darden:

Simeon Darden age 66 Farmer GA
Essie Darden age 63 SC
Joseph Pernell age 39 Physician SC - name should be PURNELL (future husband of Sarah Jane Ellis Ross)
SC (female) Pernell age 23 AL
Jas D Pernell age 2 MS
Lilla Pernell age 3/12 MS
MW Darden (male) age 28 AL


1880 US Census data


1880 Union Co. MS, Albany P.O. Dist 202

Joseph B Pummell age 50 Physician SC SC SC (name should be PURNELL)
Sarah JE Pummell age 34 TN NC NC (is Sarah Jane Ellis Ross - father should be TN not NC)
James D Pummell age 12 MS SC TN (child of Joseph Purnells first marriage)
Lillie E Pummell age 10 MS SC TN (child of Joseph Purnell´s first marriage)
Joseph B Pummell age 6 MS SC TN
Oliver H Pummell age 3 MS SC TN (presumably named after Sarah Jane´s father)
Robert L Pummell age 1 MS SC TN
(The following should be SANDERS)
Manerva M Pummell (mother in law) age 53 NC NC NC (is Margaret Minerva Sellers Ross Sanders)
Justana E Pummell (sister in law) age 20 MS NC NC (is Justiana E Sanders)
Ione Pummell (sister in law) age 18 MS NC NC (is Ione Sanders) (Ione and Irene were twins)
Irene Pummell (sister in law) age 18 MS NC NC (is Irene Sanders)

1880 Tippah Co. MS, Beat 2

WW Bailey age 45 MS NC TN
Ruthia E Bailey age 40 NC NC NC (is Margaret´s sister Ruth E Sellers)
Edmund I Bailey age 14 MS MS NC
George S Bailey age 12 MS MS NC
Jetta S Gossett age 44 NC NC NC (is Margaret´s sister Justiana Sellers)." Jettie J Sellers md MC Gossett June 22 1875" Tippah MS marriages. So looks like Jane must have died soon before June 1875 as I am guessing Jettie was not up to living alone, was her mother in 1870 census, married and husband died and moved back in in with her sister and her family.

1880 Fayette Co. TN, Dist. 12

John Sellers age 52 NC NC NC (Margaret´s brother John W Sellers)
Jane Sellers age 28 AL SC GA (probably the same Jane as in the 1870 census but data off)
John Sellers age 11 MS SC NC (father´s birthplace should be NC)
Mary Sellers age 8 MS SC NC ("" "")
Robert Sellers age 5 MS SC NC ("" "")
Martha Sellers age 11 mos. MS SC NC ("" "")

[CC: Why do John's children list their mother's birthplace as NC if Jane was born in AL? Confusing!]

1880 Fayette Co. TN, Dist. 12

James Sellers age 30 farmer MO NC TN (is James R Sellers, son of John W Sellers and nephew of MM Sellers Ross Sanders)
Nannie Sellers age 26 TN NC TN
Emma Sellers age 8 MS MO TN
Pearl Sellers age 2 TN MO TN


So who were Jane, wife of Mr. Sellers, and Mr. Sellers, parents of Margaret Minerva Sellers, John W Sellers, Justiana Sellers and Ruth E Sellers?

Jane was b. 1796 in NC and according to consistent census data (given by the children above), her husband "Mr. Sellers" was also b. in NC. Presumably, "Mr" Sellers would also have been b. ca. 1796, not much later, though could be much earlier. Their known children were all b. in NC: Margaret Minerva 1824-8, John W. 1828, Justiana S. 1835-6 and Ruth E. 1839. It´s possible that there were some children b. prior to MM Sellers´s birth (most likely anywhere btw. 1816 and 1824), who might or might not have been b. in NC as the other children were. If there were children older than MM Sellers they were in their own separate households in 1850. Some more children may also have been born between 1828 and 1835 (if so, any of those children would most likely have been b. in NC and either have been on their own in 1850 or have died in childhood).

So looking for Mr. Sellers and family in 1830, the family would most likely be in NC and would HAVE to include a female age 30-40 (Jane b. 1796), a male age 0-5 (John W), a female age 0-5 or 5-10 (Margaret Minerva). Mr. Sellers would be registered as a male in his own Sellers household or hopefully in another Sellers household, most likely age 30-40 (could be younger but not likely) or anywhere up from age 40. In the 1840 census, the Sellers family would have to include at least 3 girls and 1 boy (1 girl age < 5 = Ruth; 1 girl age <5 or 5-10 = Justiana; 1 girl age 10-15 or 15-20 = Margaret Minerva and 1 boy age 10-15 = John W). Mother Jane would be registered as a female age 40-50 and if Mr. Sellers was still alive, most likely as a male 40 or over.


Possible Sellers families in the 1840 US Census

I did a soundex search at Ancestry which gave 752 Sellers or variations in the US. The soundex may not have caught all variations, so if none of these pan out will have to do a soundex of variations. I considered all families in NC, TN, KY, SC, GA, MS, AL and GA. Though NC and TN are most likely, the family could have moved around but don´t think they would have gone north. Have o date done SOME follow-up in 1830 and 1850 census but have not checked all and would like some help from anyone who has knowledge of these families as to whether to pursue or eliminate.

Abram Sellers Sampson NC: 2 males 5-10; 1 male 10-15, 1 male 30-40; 1 male 60-70
2 fem <5; 2 fem 10-15; 1 fem 40-50

Cross checking Abram Sellers in Sampson NC in 1830 and 1850, Abram could be MM Sellers´s grandfather but not father,

Benjamin Sellers Johnston NC: 2 males<5; 1 male 5-10; 1 male 10-15; 1 male 50-60
1 fem<5; 2 fem 5-10; 2 fem 10-15; 1 fem 40-50

Benjamin Sellers appears to have md. a Sally Taylor 5 Aug 1820 in Johnson NC so not a likely spouse of Jane , MM Seller´s mother, if Jane were a Word or Thompson (see below).

William Sellers Sampson NC: 1 male10-15; 1 male 20-30; 1 male 50-60
3 fem<5; 1 fem 10-15; 1 fem 15-20; 1 fem 20-30; 1 fem 40-50
Note, the entry was difficult to read, so not sure whether the female infants were there or not!

William Sellers of Sampson NC in 1830 had no boy age < 5 so no John Sellers, so not a match.

Eman´l Sellers Spartanburg SC: 2 males 5-10; 1 male 10-15; 1 male 40-50
1 fem<5; 1 fem 5-10; 1 fem 15-20; 1 fem 40-50

Henry Sellers Franklin AL: 1 male<5; 2 males 5-10; 1 male 10-15; 1 male 50-60
1 fem<5; 1 fem 5-10; 1 fem 10-15; 1 fem 20-30; 1 fem 40-50

Joshua Sellars Bracken KY: 1 male<5; 1 male 5-10; 1 male 10-15; 1 male 15-20; 1 male 20-30;
1 male 40-50
1 fem<5; 1 fem 5-10; 1 fem 10-15, 1 fem 15-20; 1 fem 40-50

William T Sellars Humphries Dist. Harris GA: 1 m 5-10; 3 males 10-15; 1 male 40-50
2 fem<5; 1 fem 5-10; 1 fem 10-15; 1 fem 40-50

William Siler Macon NC: 1 male 10-15; 1 male 20-30; 1 male 40-50
1 fem<5; 3 fem 5-10; 1 fem 10-15; 1 fem 15-20; 1 fem 40-50
Note - the soundex did not catch the name Siler so may have to go through census searching for that variation.

William Siler was still in Macon NC in 1850 with a large family so not a match.

Other notes of interest:

There was a John Sailors in Coffee Co. TN: 2 males<5; 1 male 20-30 and 1 fem 20-30
Could possibly be family, considering the Coffee Co. TN connection.

There was a J Darden for J Sillers in Jefferson MS. May be of interest considering that Joseph Purnell was living with Dardens in 1870. I don´t know what this means??? How could someone have been a "substitute" in a census????

There was a William Sellers in St. Charles MO age 30-40, no children.

Families eliminated from 1840 census because they lacked a child or the age of the mother was wrong or the name of the mother was wrong:

John Sellers Williamson TN: no baby girl

Larkin Sellers Robinson TN: no baby girl

Mary Jr. Sellers Chesterfield SC: was head of household that otherwise "fits" but Jane was Jane and not Mary.

Michal Sellers Spartanburg SC: no boy age 10-15

Richard Sellers Marion GA: wife 30-40

Simeon Sellers Henry AL: both man and wife 30-40

Young Sellers Jackson AL: wife age 30-40

Elisha Sellars Columbus NC: wife age 30-40

Jane Sellars New Hanover NC: no babies and no boy age 10-15

Alfred Cellars Wilson TN: no boy age 10-15

Alves Cellers Wilson TN: no boy age 10-15

Josiah Sellars McMinn TN: wife too young

Samuel Sellars Jefferson TN: wife too young

John Salyers Livingston KY: wife too young

Littleton Salyers Lincoln KY: no baby girl

Benjamine Sulliers Caiborne KY: wife too young


Need to continue follow up 1840 census data and look at 1850 next and then backwards at 1830.


Pursuing clues as to who Jane (Sellers) was:

The greatest clue is Goodspeed biography of WW Bailey (bio can be found at Franklin AR genweb and at Sellers family website), husband of Ruth E Sellers, Jane´s daughter and sister of Margaret Minerva, Justiana and John W Sellers. According to the bio, Ruth E Sellers was the niece of Judge John W. Thompson and "reared by" him.

Thompson family:

Judge John W Thompson - John Wesley Thompson was married to Justiana (sometimes spelled Justianna) Dickenson (sometimes spelled Dickerson) Word. This would imply that Jane (Sellers) was either a sister of John Wesley Thompson or of Justianna Dickenson Word.

John Wesley Thompson was b. 28 Apr 1809 in Haywood Co. NC. His parents are said to have been Reverend Nathan Thompson b. 28 Aug 1762 NJ - d. 10 Oct 1854 Jackson NC and Esther (Hester) Black b. 17 Jan 1769 in Rowan Co. NC - d. 23 May 1835, Jackson NC. They married 19 Aug 1785 in Lincoln NC. The couple is said to have had 12 children.

US Census 1810 Haywood Co NC

Nathan Thompson: 3-1-2-0-1//1-1-2-2-1//0-0
So: 3 sons<10; 1 10-15; 2 16-25 and 1 daughter <10, 1 10-15; 2 16-25 and 2 26-44 and parents both age 45+

Note - the 2 women age 26-44 would not fit marriage in 1785. The oldest children in 1810 would be expected to be 25.

This is all gleaned from the WWW, from different trees and with no documentation:

The children are said to have been: Elizabeth b. 1786 or name Esther Eliza b. 1800 ; Mary "Polly" b. 1787 or 1802 Lincoln NC (md. Alexander Crisp); Miranda b. 1788 Lincoln NC; Nancy b. 1790 Lincoln NC; a Samuel and a Jesse b. 1792 Rutherford NC; Nathan b. 1794 Lincoln NC; Ruth Richardson b. 1802 NC; William b. ?; and John Wesley b. 1809 Haywood NC

I only find names of 10 children, 5 boys and 5 girls. Esther Eliza and Elizabeth could be separate individuals so that would bring it up to 5 boys and 6 girls. According to census there should be 6 6] sons and 3 daughters + the 2 odd women age 26-44. So the data is inaccurate and not finding a Jane Thompson does not mean that there wasn´t one.

An interesting find from the US Census St. Francois Co. 1850 (where Jane and family were in 1850 also):

Samuel Thompson age 55 NC
Justina W Thompson age 4 MO

Have tried tracing both of them to no avail. Could be Jane´s brother and brother of JW Thompson and could be why she was in St Francois MO.

John Wesley Thompson md. Justianna Dickenson Word 24 July 1834. Am not sure where they md.. They are said to have had a child Mary Elizabeth Thompson b. 14 Dec 1839 in NC.

Cannot find John Wesley Thompson in 1840 census, with an infant but have not searched hard.

In 1850 US Census Tippah MS, Dist 2

John W Thompson age 41 lawyer NC
Justiana D age 34 NC

No children in household.

In 1860 US Census Tippah MS, Ripley P.O.

J W Thompson age 50 Circuit Judge NC
Justianna Thomson age 45 NC
Jno W Falkner age 11 mo MS
Justianna Word age 84 VA
James W Falkner age 29 Atty at Law TN

1870 US Census Tippah MS, Ripley

J W Thompson age 61 lawyer NC
J D Thompson age 45 keeping house GA (this does not make sense as Justianna died 1898, age is off and she was b. NC)
JW Mitchell age 29 law student TN

At Rucker Cmty: Mrs. Justiana D Thompson b. 10/21/1815 died 9/19/1898
Need to look up headstone again but Judge Thompson is also at Rucker cmty, died 21 Jun 1873

So it appears that JW Thompson and Justiana Dickenson Word Thompson had no surviving children and that is perhaps why they seemed to take nieces and nephews in. Justiana Word appears to have been b. in NC in either 1815 or 16.

Word family:

Justaiana Dickenson Word was b. Oct 21 1815 NC and is said to have been the daughter of Thomas Adams Word (b. 10 or Dec 1768 (Surry NC) - d. 12 Feb 1831 (Habersham Co GA)) and Justiana Dickenson (b. 3 Apr 1776 - d. 20 Feb 1865 (Ripley, Tippah Co MS)). Thomas Adams Word md. Justiana Dickenson 15 Feb 1792.

The family is said to be well documented though I have yet to see any documentation (most of the reported documentation appears to be from a book by Flora Hooper Collier - Hooper Genealogy: A Southern Branch, vol. 1, 1958 and vol. 2 1972 and it appears that the account as to the Words is based upon a family history given by a James Word, grandson of Charles Word, who was father of Thomas Adams Word - but I have not seen the book so documentation could be good). Thus, it is said that Thomas Adams Word and Justiana Dickenson Word had 9 children, 6 boys and 3 girls: 1) Martin Dickenson Word, d. unmarried; 2) James Dickenson Word b. 17 Mar 1797, md. 1st "Miss Faulkner" in 1817 who died 1818 (there is a record of a James Word who md. a Nancy Forkner 11 Oct 1816 in Surry NC - NC Marriages), whereafter he md. 2nd Amelia Monroe Hooper 16 Mar 1826 (see below). James Word died Inka MS 30 May 1890 age 93; 3) Caroline Word md Charles Faulkner (actually it was William Falkner) (Caroline was b. 1800 - d. 31 Aug 1864 age 64); 4) Elizabeth Word md. Charles Humphrey (I cannot find any trees for this marriage anywhere and find 2 claims of an Elizabeth Word, one of whom was a daughter of Thomas´s brother William Word and Elizabeth Bryson (that Elizabeth md. a Richard Hooper); 5) Justiana D Word (was b. 1815) md. John Wesley Thompson; 6) Jefferson Word = Thomas Jefferson Word b. 1809; 7) William Word (b. 31 May 1810 Rockford, Surry NC md. Caroline Christian 24 Apr 1844 in Pickens AL) (this data IS documented by descendent of William from family bible); 8) Charles Word; 9) Cuthbert Word.

James Dickenson Word and Amelia Hooper are said by the family historian to have had 8 children, 5 sons and 3? daughters, a daughter "Sarah Jane" being unaccounted for - so the question is, lacking documentation, whether this Sarah Jane may have been a daughter of Thomas Adams Word and Justiana Dickenson Word instead of Elizabeth. Or even if there were a Sarah Jane, daughter of James and Amelia, what the proof is of the 3rd daughter of Thomas Adams Word and Justiana Dickenson being named Elizabeth? (Actually, have found a James Word in the Inca MS census in 1870: James Word age 73 b. NC, wife Jane B age 54 b. SC; Sallie J Ware age 28 b. GA, Meary (f) age 7 b. AL and Edward age 4 b. TX. - this must be the James Word son of Thomas A Word and Justiana Dickenson Word and Sally J Ware could be daughter Sarah Jane who md. a Ware? or was unmarried? and was a Word?, relationship was not stated)

1800 Census Surry Co. NC, Salisbury:

Word A, Thomas: 2-0-0-2-0//1-0-1-0-0// 0//2

So: 2 males<10; 2 males 26-44; 1 female<10 and 1 female 16-25, and 2 slaves

If Thomas and Justiana md. 1792, all of their children in 1800 should be <10 and at any rate, due to their own ages, they would not have a son age 25 or older. So in 1800 census there were 3 children, 2 boys and 1 girl, who would be: James b. 1797, Martin? and Elizabeth? (or was it Jane?). 1 male 26-44 is unaccounted for.

Cannot find Thomas A Word in the 1810 census - wish I could!
1820 Census Surry NC, Capt Farkners (or Forkner´s) Dist:

Ward A, Thomas: 2-2-0-1-1-1// 1-0-1-1-0
So: 2 males<10; 2 males 10-16; no males 16-18; 1 male 16-26; 1 male 26-45 and 1 male 45+; 1 female <10; 1 female 16-26 and 1 female 26-45.

The 2 males less than age 10 could be Thomas Jefferson and William, the 2 age 10-16 could be Charles and Cuthbert; James could be the one 16-26 and Martin the one age 26-45. The female <10 could be Caroline and the female 16-26 could be Justianna. We lack a girl age 16-26 who could be Elizabeth or (Jane), but a daughter b. prior to 1800 could and would have most likely md. and left the family by 1820.

I have found documentation as to Justiana Word b. 1815, md. John W. Thompson (see under Thompsons). An interesting lead to pursue is some correspondence between JW Thompson and Justiana Word and William Faulkner (in a file of a biographer of the author William Faulkner -need to get a hold of that file!).

As to Caroline Word (Falkner), b. ca. 1800, I have not been able to find her in the 1850 or ´60 census. Have found her by inference in the 1840 census:

1840 Census Clay MO

Wm Falkner: 2males<5; 1 male 5-10; 1 male 40-50; 1 female 5-10 and 1 female 30-40

According to Goodspeed´s biography of Col.William Clark Falkner (available at the Tippah MS genweb), WC Falkner was b. in Knox Co. TN in 1825, as his parents were migrating from NC to St. Genevieve MO. Falkner went to Tippah Co. MS around 1842. "Several reasons for leaving the family have been recorded". "JW Thompson adopted his nephew upon his arrival".

William Clark Falkner´s parents are said to have been William Joseph Falkner (d. ca. 1842) and Caroline Word b. ca. 1800 Surry NC, d. Ripley MS. This is data culled from family trees on the internet and not documented. Note that the family appears to have been long in migrating to MO in that the 1st child b. in MO was Frances Falkner b. 1839 and the rest were b. in TN. (Col. Falkner´s grandson was the author, William Faulkner).

Note the similarity in the "adoption" story, between Ruth E Sellers and Willam Clark Falkner and note that both families migrated to MS via MO.

As to an Elizabeth Word who md. a Charles Humprey, have so far not found evidence of that but that does not mean that the 3rd (would actually be the first) daughter of Thomas Adams Word was not an Elizabeth.

I did in the 1800 Surry Co NC Census, Salisbury, find these Word families also:

William Word: 3-1-1-1-0//1-1-0-1-0//0//2

This would be consistent with an Elizabeth Word b. prior to 1800, daughter of a William Word, brother of Thomas Word, who md. an Elizabeth Bryson.

Randolph Word: 1-0-0-1-0//2-0-0-1-0//0//0

John Word: 2-2-1-0-1//2-1-0-1-0//0//0

Also intriguing as to a possible connection between Jane (Sellers) and the Words is that a descendent of a Thomas Word left a message at genforum about her ancestor, a "Margaret Minerva" Word b. in Burnett Co. TX.

So who was Jane (Sellers)? Was she (Sarah) Jane Thompson or (Sarah) Jane Word? Or none of the above?

Her daughter Ruth E Sellers was said to have been the niece of JW Thompson and Justiana Dickenson Word. She had a daughter and a granddaughter named Justiana, but daughter Justiana was b. shortly after the marriage of JW Thompson to Justiana Dickenson Word so her daughter could have been named after her aunt by marriage. JW Thompson and Justianna Word could have been grand-uncle and aunt, but cannot see how. Lacking sufficient documentation of both the Words and the Thompsons, the question is still open.

=================

Hi Pat,

Thanks for your reply. I´ve tried checking that way too, but no go.

What intrigues me here is that the marriage listing for Jefferson Co. MS marriages says that an Ione A Sillers md. a William Thompson 11 Dec 1860. Appears from the census data I did find that said Ione A Sillers was b. 1845 or 1846. I have an Ione A Sanders in my Sellers family, a daughter by the 2nd marriage of my ggg grandmother, Margaret Minerva Sellers. Ione A. Sanders WAS named IONE A. and her twin sister was named Irene C. Sanders - they were b. 5 Jan 1862 in Tippah Co. MS. The info as to the twins´ first names, I have from my grandmother´s account of her maternal family. Ione was an uncommon name, and made even more so by it´s continual misspelling in the censuses!!!

Am trying to trace the parentage of Margaret Minerva Sellers, whose mother WAS named JANE. MM Sellers was the niece of JW Thompson of Tippah MS (who was md. to Justiana Dickenson Word). So, we have an instance of a Sellers child (on her mother´s side)named Ione A and a Sillers child (on her paternal side)named Ione A, the one being a grandniece of a Thompson and the other marrying a Thompson. This appears too "coincidental" to overlook although I have not been able to connect the dots yet.

>From my grandmother, I also know that one of MM Sellers´daughters, by
>her
first marriage, Sarah Jane Ellis Ross, md. Dr. Joseph Benson Purnell and that one of her daughters by her 2nd marriage, Irene C Sanders (the twin of Ione A Sanders), md. Andrew Collins. The first child of MM Sellers´ 2nd marriage was Justiana Sanders, who never md., according to my grandmother, and who became a Dean, at Blue Mountain College.

Searching for MM Sellers´parents in the 1840 census, I stumbled upon an entry in Jefferson MS, where a "Jesse", "Jessa" or "Jetta" Darden, "took" the census for a "J.Sillers". Examining the handwriting, looks like "Jessa" to me, but never mind, that led me to further examine Jefferson co. MS, Sillers´ and lo and behold, the Ione A Sillers who md. a Thompson, etc.. And then I found the ref. below.

According to what appears to be a well researched book by Jasper Newton Darden, "Darden Family History: with notes on the allied families..." pub. 1957 (book available online at Ancestry.com), it appears that Dr. Joseph B. Purnell 1st md. Samantha Alcansa Darden, daughter of Simeon Darden and Essie Dotson. Simeon Darden was the son of George Darden and Elizabeth Strozier. Irene Cordelia Sanders md. Andrew Newton Collins, who was the son of the 2nd marriage of Elijah Walker Collins to Permelia Darden Collins. Permelia Darden was ALSO a daughter of Simeon and Essie Dotson Darden. Elijah Walker Collins was 1st md. to Eliza Darden Miller, who was the daughter of Stephen Miller and Mary "Polly" Darden. Mary Darden was the daughter of George Darden and Elizabeth Strozier Darden and thus the sister of Simeon Darden. This family is connected to the Jefferson MS Dardens and Sillers.

So, my question to you Sillers, Sellers, researchers out there is, do you know who Ione A. Sillers´father was?

Thanks,

Linda Peacock

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Pat Borden [mailto:pat11138@verizon.net]
Sendt: 14. august 2006 05:01
Til: SELLERS-L@rootsweb.com
Emne: Re: [SELLERS] Jefferson Co. MS "Sillers´s"

You might also consider "Jane" for "Jone" or "Ione". One of my ancestors
named Jane is noted in various trascriptions as Ione or Jone. Pat B

linda peacock wrote:
> The ”Jone” Sillers in the 1860 Fayette, Jefferson Co. MS census, age
> 15
(b.
> MS) and living with A. Sillers (female age 34 b. MS) and Emaline
> Castley (age 18 b. Iowa), must surely be the Ione A. Sillers who md.
> William Thompson, 11 Dec 1860. Cannot find William and Ione Thompson
> in the 1870 census but in Fayette, Jefferson Co. MS in 1880 found:
>
> William Thompson age 50 b. MS, father b. KY, mother b. MS; Ione “G.”
> age
35
> b. LA, father b. NC, mother b. MS, and children: Clara G. age 18,
> Willie
L.
> age 14, Percy Dew age 11, Eula M. age 7, Claudia L. age 5 and Irma I
> age 2

> all of the children b. MS. Note that the image of the census available
> at Ancestry is totally illegible!!! Black background and washed out
letters!!!!
>
>
>
> Could not find William Thompson and Ione (Sillers) Thompson in the
> 1870 census, anywhere! Could also not find Ione Sillers in 1850
> census, not as Ione or any variation of the first and/or last name, no
> matter where born.
>
>
>
> By the way, the first name “Ione” is very unusual, only abt. 15
> instances
in
> the 1870 census, which still leads me to think the Ione A. Sanders,
daughter
> of Margaret Minerva Ross Sellers Sanders, is likely related to this
family.
>
>
>
> So, who was “Mr. Sillers”, b. NC and likely died between 1845 and
> 1860,
and
> who was the husband of an “A” Unknown b. 1826 MS and the father of
> Ione Sillers b. 1845 in either LA or MS?
>
>
>
> Linda Peacock
>
==================

may 2007

Dear all,

Marie was so kind as to provide a link to data I have presented in searching for my Margaret Minerva Sellers´s parents : http://www.sellers-sellars-sollars-zellars.net/margaretminerva.htm .

I have been searching for the parents of MM Sellers and oddly enough, have identified MM Sellers´s mother, but still do not know who her father was. Besides the above link, I have also given census data etc., which can be found by searching for my name (Linda Peacock) in the mailing list archives. MM Sellers´s mother was Jane Thompson b. 24 Apr 1797, Rutherford Co. NC, md. UNK Sellers in NC in 1825 or before 1825; Jane Thompson Sellers died between 1870 and 1880 in Tippah Co., MS. UNK Sellers d. sometime between 1839 and 1850 (Jane is alone with her family in St. Francis MO in 1850. 2 of the Sellers children, Margaret Minerva Sellers and John Sellers md. children of Rice Farrar Ross and Sarah Bonham Ross, Oliver Franklin Ross and Emily F. Ross, respectively. The Rosses had lived in Lincoln Co. NC but were in Bedford Co. TN at the time that MM Sellers and John Sellers md.. MM Sellers md. Oliver Franklin Ross 15 July 1844 and John Ross md. Emily F.Sellers abt. 1849.

Jane Thompson´s parents were Nathan Thompson b. 28 Aug 1762 (NJ); d. 10 Oct 1854 Jackson Co. NC md. 19 Aug 1785 in Lincoln Co. NC, Esther Black b. 17 Jan 1769 NC, d. 23 May 1835 Jackson Co. NC. Jane Thompson´s parents are documented in a transcript of a family bible belonging to Roy S. Buchanan of Jackson Co., NC. Esther Black´s parents were Thomas Black and Elizabeth UNK of Lincoln Co. NC.

Maybe this will help one of you identify my UNK Mr. Sellers.

Thanks,

Linda Peacock

===

LINDA, do you have a time line on NATHAN THOMPSON?
DATES and places on census=
Any marriages = dates and places.
I tried, but, don't know if same one. I am sure you have a better idea, etc.

Is he the same REV WAR listed in 1840 MACON CO, NC Pensioners List ? =
Name: Nathan Thompson
State: NC
County: Macon County
Township: Age 78 No Township Listed (ca1762, msh)
Year: 1840
Page: 139
Database: NC 1840 Pensioners List
=
Do You have a copy of this pension file? It could possibly list kids names and perhaps a husband?

Is he the same 1830 Haywood Co, NC =
1830
Name: Nathan Thompson
Residence: 1830 - Haywood, North Carolina

SELLERS, James 1100010000000-0100010000000 5=
MALE 30/40
MALE 5/10 =
MALE U 5 =
FEMALE 30/40 =
FEMALE 5/10 =
next
THOMPSON, Nathan 0000100010000-0001101010000 6 =
====
1840 = are we in TN? (JAMES SELLERS?)=
J A Celler Not Stated, Lincoln, Tennessee = 00002-00001= NO kids = 0 (lays next/close to Bedford/Coffee,msh)
James Sellars Not Stated, Grainger, Tennessee (believe he is proven, msh)
James Sellars Not Stated, Lawrence, Tennessee = still here in 1850
James Sellers Not Stated, Bradley, Tennessee =( believe he is proven, msh)
James Sellers Not Stated, Roane, Tennessee (believe proven, msh)
James Sellers Not Stated, Wayne, Tennessee = James Sellers 110001-/120001
James Y Sellers Not Stated, Maury, Tennessee (believe he is proven, msh)
Jane Sellers Not Stated, Jefferson, Tennessee (WHO is this?msh)=JANE SELLERS, PAGE 300=01-100001 (short a dau?) or one working/living outside home?
James Sullins Not Stated, Cannon, Tennessee = ?

Probably should do same on 1840 MO?
===
Help where you can.
marie, iowa
================

from LINDA PEACOCK
Nathan Thompson md. Esther Black in Lincoln Co. NC 19 Aug 1785, bondsman William Killen = Killian, minister John Moore
=====
Re: Nathan Thompson m. Esther Black Aug 19 1785 Lincoln/Buncombe Co NC
woodturnerblue (View posts) Posted: 18 Aug 2004 2:59AM GMT
=
REV WAR BOUNTY LAND
NATHAN THOMPSON, NC, , DEC 6, 1797, 274 A

1820 PENSION LIST
NO THOMPSON'S LISTED IN NC (I believe I remember seeing 1833 for a sign up? date on someone,msh)

1835 PENSION LIST
LINCOLN CO, NC
BARTHOLOMEW THOMPSON, 72, GA MILITIA,
CHARLES THOMPSON, 72, NC MILITIA
BURKE CO, NC
ISAAC THOMPSON, 79, NC MILITIA
MECKLENBURG, NC
GEORGE THOMPSON 85, NC MILITIA
WILLIAM THOMPSON 76, NC MILITIA

Name: Nathan Thompson
Birth: abt 1762
Residence: 1 Jun 1840 - Macon, North Carolina

Name: Nathan Thompson
State: NC
County: Macon County
Township: Age 78 No Township Listed (ca1762, msh)
Year: 1840
Page: 139
Database: NC 1840 Pensioners List

====

Classification: Query
Surnames:
The children of Nathan (Dutch) Thompson and Ester Black were, Elizabeth, b.1786, Mary Polly, b.1787, Samuel, b.1790, Thomas, b.1792, Nathan B. b.1797, Jesse, b.ABT1800, Nancy Ester, b.1800, Ruth, b.1802, Lorenzo D, b.1807, John Wesley, b.1809, William, b.1812. Sorry, no Isaac, but I think you are on the right track. I seem to remember running accross the name in my research. If I see it again I will post another message .
==
Michael Thompson (View posts) Posted: 16 Dec 2004 4:40AM GMT

Classification: Query
Surnames: Thompson, Freeman, Redden, Dalton
Jackson County Heritage v2 p311 shows Jesse Thompson b.1805 to Nathan and Ester.

If anyone knows of a living Thompson descendent of this Rev. Nathan Thompson, please let them know I will pay for a DNA test to see if we are related.

Also would appreciate any further knowledge of descendents not in reference above.
=

 

REV WAR =
Nathan Thompson
Birth Date: 1763?
Birthplace: North Carolina
Volume: 177
Page Number: 170
Reference: Rev. War~Census of pensioners for Rev. military serivces. Washington, DC. 1841. (195p.):139

Nathan Thompson found in:

Marriage Index: KY, NC, TN, VA, WV 1728-1850
Spouse: Ester Black
Marriage Date: Aug 19, 1785
Location: Lincoln Co., North Carolina
Source: County Court Records at Lincolnton, NC & Family History Library, Salt Lake City, UT
Microfilm: 0873860 item 21

1790
Nathan Thompson found in:

US - Census Index (1790)
Township: Not Stated
County: Rutherford
State: North Carolina
Year: 1790
Roll: M637_7
Page: 118
Image: 0084

1800

1810
Nathan Thompson found in:

US - Census Index (1810)
Township: Not Stated
County: Haywood
State: NC
Year: 1810
Roll: M252_40
Page: 75
Image: 382
PAGE 201A
Thompson, Nathan = 01201-12210-00

 

WAR OF 1812 = not in NC

1820
Nathan Thompson Robeson,NC 1820 =00001040100=
next
JOHN THOMPSON = 011110
next
DUGATE MCHELLER/KELLER
close
TYEMUCAN THOMPSON

GILBERT SELLERS =

1820=

1830
Name: Nathan Thompson
Residence: 1830 - Haywood, North Carolina

SELLERS, James 1100010000000-0100010000000 5=
MALE 30/40
MALE 5/10 =
MALE U 5 =
FEMALE 30/40 =
FEMALE 5/10 =
next
THOMPSON, Nathan 0000100010000-0001101010000 6 =

 

Name: Nathan Thompson
Birth: abt 1762
Residence: 1 Jun 1840 - Macon, North Carolina

Name: Nathan Thompson
State: NC
County: Macon County
Township: Age 78 No Township Listed (ca1762, msh)
Year: 1840
Page: 139
Database: NC 1840 Pensioners List
=======================

Deed Book C, Macon Co., NC, p. 1349

N. B. Thompson to William H. Thompson for 67 1/2 acres of land dated
15th June 1841 was duly acknowledged in open court by Nathan B.
Thompson the Maker thereof and ordered to be Recorded in book D page
76 for Registration Witness John Hall Clk.
H. G. Woodfin [illegible]

The above deed was registered in my office as register this 9th Day
of September 1841

Certifide by J. Howard [R?]. M. C.

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Nathan Thompson
Birth: abt 1762 - New Jersey
Residence: 1850 - Macon, North Carolina = NO twn, p.o given =
Nathan Thompson Macon, NC abt 1762 New Jersey, CLERGYMAN/MET
NATHAN B. THOMPSON, RUTHERFORD , NC
ELIZABETH SHERRIL 64, LINCOLN, NC
HENRY RADER 14 BURKE
next
NATHAN JENKINS 51/7 TN, TEACHER
and kids born Haywood, NC
next
DAVID BIRCHFIELD 24, MCDOWELL
ELIZABETH 23 HAYWOOD
and kids MACON

1860

1870
Name: Nathan Byers Thompson
Parents: Nathan Thompson , Esther Black
Birth Place: Rutherford County, NC
Birth Date: 26 Feb 1795
Death Place: Qualla Township, Jackson County, NC
Death Date: 1 Aug 1870

=
from LINDA
The Thompson family of John Wesley Thompson (father Reverend Nathan
> Thompson
> b. 28 Aug 1762 NJ and mother Esther or Hester BLACK b. 17 Jan 1769 Rowan
> Co.
> NC, md. 19 Aug 1785 in Lincoln Co. NC): there are said to have been up to
> 12
> children and found supposed children: Elizabeth Thompson b. 1786 or name
> Esther Eliza b. 1800?; Mary "Polly" Thompson b. 1787 Lincoln NC or 1802
> (md.
> Alexander Crisp?); Miranda Thompson b. 1788 Lincoln NC;
> Nancy Thompson b. 1790 Lincoln NC; a Samuel and a Jesse Thompson both b.
> 1792 Rutherford Co. NC; Nathan Thompson b. 1794 Lincoln NC; Ruth
> Richardson
> Thompson b. 1802 NC, William Thompson b. ?; and John Wesley Thompson b.
> 1809
> Haywood Co. NC (now we are really beginning to stretch poor Esther´s
> capacity to have children if she was indeed b. 1769 and had all of those
> other children + JW b. 1809!). I have no documentation of any of this,
> just
> starting points, gleaned from trees online and message boards.
>
> Other THOMPSON,BLACK and SELLERS connections: A Sarah Thompson md. a
> Willets
> Sellers 13 May 1806 Brunswick NC. My Jane (Sellers) would only have been
> age
> 10 at the time. A Frances M Black b. 1838 in New Hanover Co. NC, md. 24
> Apr.
> 1858 a John Wesley Sellers in Columbus NC. A Jacob Black b. 1785 VA md a
> Margaret Sellers b. 1790, Jefferson Co. TN (sorry - not in my notes as to
> whether marriage was in TN or birth of Margaret Sellers was in TN, but not
> my Jane). Reverend Nathan THOMPSON was a METHODIST missionary and Oliver
> Franklin Ross was a METHODIST minister and there were two SELLERS
> METHODIST
> minsters working the MISSISSIPPI Circuit around the time Jane Unknown and
> Unknown Mr. Sellers would have been having children and those were a
> Samuel
> Sellers and his brother John - just throwing that in here as Judge
> Thompson´s father was also a Methodist minister - so perhaps a connection
> there?
>
===========
As to the WORDs, I find that family interesting as Jane (Sellers´s )
> possible family, due to naming traditions. Margaret Minerva Sellers
> (daughter of Jane (Sellers)) had a sister named Justiana and a child
> named Justiana and John Wesley Thompson´s wife (possible aunt of Ruth
> E. Sellers and thereby of MM Sellers) was named Justiana (Justianna)
> Dickenson
> (Dickerson) Word. Futhermore, the mother of Justiana Dickenson Word, who
> would also have been the mother of Jane (Sellers), was also named
> Justiana.
> Justiana Dickenson md. Thomas A. Word. Will have to return with further
> details as I did not record all details of children of that marriage as I
> saw no Jane´s or anyone who could be. Actually, there IS nothing recorded
> there as to a possible Jane Word who md. a Sellers, but doesn´t mean it
> isn´t so. What I DID find at Genforum was an interesting query from a
> woman
> in Texas who claimed that she had a Thomas Word ancestor and that her
> ancestor was a MARGARET MINERVA WORD. Now, that is odd. The person who
> answered the query stated that her documentation was uncertain, but the
> details she gave as to what she had gleaned, left it "unquestionable" that
> the WORD family did not have such members. Think that is a lesson to us
> not
> to be so assured in what MUST be uncertain premises UNLESS we have
> documentation, that we kill all dialogue. Did a "google" and a "dogpile"
> search for the WORD family and that was almost as frustrating as searching
> for "SELLERS" (get all kinds of documents mentioning "words" and
> "sellers").
> Kept coming up with William Faulkner, the author and got really irritated.
> However, it turns out that his mother? was Caroline Word and in the
> family
> of Justiana Word? I have NOT checked this out entirely as searching for
> "famous" relatives basically turns me off, was just trying to search for
> WORD´S and also saw that in the file of a biographer of William Faulkner,
> there was correspondence between Justiana Word and John Wesley Thompson
> and
> William Faulkner and noted that William Faulkner had children James Wesley
> Thompson Faulkner and Justiana Faulkner???? (I have NOT researched this
> thoroughly at all - but do know that there was a connection between the
> William Faulkner family and the Word family.
>
> Both Judge Thompson and Justianna Dickenson Word Thompson are said to
> be buried at "Rucker" Cmtý in Union Co. MS? I cannot find that
> cemetery!!!
>
> WORD, SELLERS connections otherwise: at Genforum, found a ref. to a
> Cuthbert
> WORD of Bedford Co. TN who md. an unk. Jane but that was in the 1830´s so
> too late to have been my Jane.
>
> I have looked for obits, cemetery references and all, in trying to
> track down the family. I still do not know why Jane Sellers and family
> were in MO in 1850. Tippah MS is close to where MM Sellers Ross was in
> TN at the time of Oliver Franklin Ross´s death in 1848. But,St.
> Francis MO is not close.
====
As a PS: The family of John Sellers (brother of MM Sellers?) appears
> in
> the
> 1880, Fayette Co. TN census, district 12 next door to JR Sellers:
>
> John Sellers age 52 NC NC NC
> Jane Sellers age 28 AL SC GA
> John Sellers age 11 MS SC NC (? - as to parent´s places of birth) Mary
> Sellers age 8 MS SC NC """" Robert Sellers age 5 MS SC NC """"
> Martha Sellers age 11 mo. MS SC NC """"
>
> That´s what I have for now and this part of my family history is
> undocumented!!!! Just following clues. Trying to determine my direct
> maternal line. Find that more challenging.
>
> Thanks again,
> Linda
=========

Source: NCLINCOL@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [NCLINCOL] Hester Black......

Hi Jeff,

I descend from Esther Black. I have good circumstantial evidence that indicates that Esther´s parents were Thomas Black and Elizabeth UNK. My ancestry is Esther Black + Nathan Thompson > Jane Thompson + UNK Sellers (perhaps John "Sailors" of Lincoln NC) > Margaret Minerva Sellers + Oliver Franklin Ross. Oliver Franklin Ross < Rice Farrar Ross + Sarah Bonham. Sarah Bonham < Absalom Bonham + Rebecca Cox. After Thomas Black died, widow Elizabeth Black md. Morris Cox, the brother of Rebecca Cox (Morris Cox was widowed also)so 2nd marriage for both. So, the circumstantial evidence is the ties to Lincoln Co. NC and the marriages between family members.

As to Esther Black´s American Indian origin, that may be the case but it would have to be via her father´s parents as I have had my mitochondrial DNA tested and it shows European origin.

Linda Peacock
linda peacock [lindapeacock@vip.cybercity.dk]
may 2007

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Emne: [NCLINCOL] Hester Black......

I'm seeking information on Hester Black born 1769 on
the Little Broad River in Lincoln Co. N.C.
I'm seeking information as to who Hester Blacks
parents were, some sources say she is the daughter of
Thomas Black, while other sources claim she is the
daughter of Gavin Black and his wife Juda Black.
I have seen sources saying Hester Black was Indian
and Black Dutch..
Jeff Beard

__________________________________________________

from LINDA PEACOCK
REF
Refs: 1) "The Bone Rattler" Vol. 11, No. 2, 1995 (Dorris D. Beck) and 2)"The Bone Rattler" Vol. 8, No. 4, 1992 (Duane Oliver)

Very nice work again Charmaine!

I did not have this marriage bond info, but what you have found fits what I have. Plus you have found more, that Jesse Thompson md. Rachel Welch. I don´t have a James Thompson. I have no idea who Henry Rader was.

To you, and to any and all here, I can provide copies of what is known about the Nathan Thompson family, bible records and extended family records if you are interested (these are JPEG files and fairly large, unfortunately).

I am going to go ahead and list what I know about the Children of Nathan Thompson and Esther Black and their marriages, data combined from refs. 1 & 2)and in an abbreviated version as a number of generations are included in the refs.:

1) Elizabeth (b. 23 Feb 1786, Lincoln Co. NC and d. Aft 1870, Macon Co. NC), md. 23 Jul 1831, Macon Co. NC, Uriah "Ute" Sherrill (b. ca. 1754, NC; d. 1838, NC). Uriah was son of Samuel, Sr. and Mary Preston? There were no children by this marriage. (I (LP) think that Uriah had children by a previous marriage, as there was a Uriah Sherrill in Coffee Co. TN).

2) Mary "Polly" D. (b. 18 Dec 1787; d. 10 Apr 1832, Haywood Co. NC) md. 11 Aug 1820, Haywood Co., NC, Alexander Crisp (b. 1797; d. 1870, Cherokee Co. NC). Alexander Crisp was son of Bray Crisp. They had 3 children all b. Haywood Co. NC: Rachel b. 1826 md. William McConnell: Nathan b. 1826 md. Jane Crisp and Miller b. 1829 md. Nancy Crisp. And yes, Nathan and Jane did marry spouses named Crisp.

3) Samuel (b. 15 Mar 1790, Rutherford Co. NC)

4) Thomas (b. 6 May 1792, Rutherford Co. NC). And this is not in the refs. But it is correct that he md. Nancy Enloe.

5) Nathan Byers (b. 26 Feb 1795, Rutherford Co. NC) md. ? and children ? Ref. 2 says there was one son, William B. Thompson who md. a Jane UNK.

6) Jane (b. 24 Apr 1797, Rutherford Co. NC) - is my Jane Thompson who md. an UNK Sellers

7) Esther Eliza (b. 15 Mar 1800, Buncombe Co. NC; d. 1863, Swain Co. NC) md. 20 Nov 1823, Haywood Co. NC, Joel Alexander Sawyer (b- 1800 Greenville SC and d. 13 Jan 1866 Swain Co. NC). Joel Sawyer was son of William, Sr. and Elizabeth Crisp. They had 10 children: William Hamilton b. 8 Aug 1824 Haywood NC md. Elizabeth Jane Welch; Sarah A. "Sally" b. 25 Feb 1826 Haywood Co NC md. Adolphus Burton Welch; Esther Eliza b. 1829 md. Joel (Joseph) Rose; Rutha Melvina b. 13 Apr 1830, Macon Co NC md. Phillip Marcus Chambers; John Love b. 29 May 1833 Macon Co. NC md. 1) Louisa Welch & 2) Nancy E. Medlin; Nathan Thompson b. 17 Nov 1835 Macon Co. NC md. 1) Alvira Minerva Bradshaw & 2) Martha Loucinda Cathey; Joel Alexander, Jr. b. 1837 did not marry; Thomas Paton b. 19 Dec 1840 Macon Co. NC md. Margaret Jane "Peggy" Stillwell; Samuel B. "Solomon" b. 1843 never md.; James Lovel b. 9 Mar 1848, Macon Co. NC md. Roxanna "Roxie" Paralee Ashe.

8) Ruth Richardson (b. 6 Oct 1802, Buncombe Co. NC; d. 15 Jun 1872 NC) md. 26 Jan 1832 Joseph Buchanan (1794-1880). Joseph Buchanan was son of James and Martha Black (Martha was sister of Esther Black). They had 8 children: Nathan b. 7 Jan 1833 md. Martha Ann Dills; James b. 15 Jun 1836 md. Rebecca Bryson; Lorenzo Dow b. 20 Sep 1839 did not marry; Martha b. 7 Aug 1834 d. age 3; William H b. 1 Dec 1837 d. age 2; Esther b. 29 Aug 1841 d. in infancy; Margaret Melissa b. 20 Jan 1843 md. Joshua Kimsey Hall; Joseph Franklin b. 14 Mar 1845 md. Matilda Paletine Wilson.

9) Jesse Richardson b. 16 Jan 1805

10) Lorenzo Dow b. 20 Feb 1807

11) John Wesley (b. 28 Apr 1809, Haywood Co. NC) md. 24 Jul 1834 Justiana Dickenson Word.

12) Sally Wesley b. 22 Jan 1812

Refs: 1) "The Bone Rattler" Vol. 11, No. 2, 1995 (Dorris D. Beck) and 2)"The Bone Rattler" Vol. 8, No. 4, 1992 (Duane Oliver)
===============
There are several marriages listed in Haywood and Macon Co., NC for Thompsons
who fit the bill to be children of Nathan Thompson. I haven't worked this
Thompson connection to a great degree in connection with a number of the other
families who moved from Burke/Rutherford and are found living near each other,
intermarrying.

Haywood Co., NC marriage bonds:

7 Jan. 1815 Thomas Thompson and Nancy Enloe - bondsman: Asaph Enloe (this is
the "Sersop" Enloe who is listed 2 households from Nathan Thompson and next
to James Sellers on the 1830 Haywood Co., NC census)

11 Aug 1820 Polly [Mary] Thompson and Alexander Crisp bondsman; Jacob
Shuler (note Shuler's are neighbors of Nathan Thompson in 1830 Haywood and 1840
Macon Co., NC)

20 Nov 1823 Esther Thompson and Joel Sawyer bondsman: Alexander ? - think
this is Alexander Crisp. You mention this marriage - interesting side here, one
son of this marriage, Nathan Thompson Sawyer married a daughter of William
Cathey. William Cathey followed the same basic migratory route. He was the son
of George Cathey, Jr. George Cathey, Jr and his family were in Burke Co., NC
1790, moved into Buncombe 1800 (area which became Haywood in 1808, then into
Haywood. William Cathey moved into Macon Co.)

30 Jan 1824 James Thompson and Betsy Wilkins

25 Feb. 1825 Jesse Thompson and Rachel Welch bondsman: Nathan Thompson

Macon Co., NC marriage bonds:

3 Jul 1831 Elizabeth Thompson and Ute Sherrel bondsman: Andrew Welch (note
that Jesse Thompson had married a Rachel Welch in Haywood in 1825). This is
Nathan's daughter who appears living in his household in 1840 Macon Co., NC -
Elizabeth Sherrill age 64 born Lincoln Co., NC.

Any idea who the 14 year old Henry Rader, born Burke Co., NC is in this
household in 1840 Macon Co., NC. Is it possibly a grandson?

No listing for a Thompson (sometimes also spelled Thomasson) and Sellers
marraige in either county, not Burke or Rutherford counties either. Possibly the
marriage took place in Buncombe Co (Buncombe still hasn't any marriage bond
records available on line, and Buncombe still hasn't published any source
material) Or, the bond was damaged or destroyed and didn't survive. Or was by bann
instead of bond.

Charmaine
NOINTELLG@aol.com
===========
june 2007
Charmaine:

Okay, well it is all very confusing but I do think we are getting somewhere here (thanks to your knowledge and efforts, and the same as to Georgia´s and Marie´s knowledge and efforts). All of these families are certainly connected somehow and we "just" need to disentangle them.

You have now given me some more information as to the "Hall" branch of the family. Thank you!

As to the ministers in the family, I have a long line of those, including Nathan Thompson who was apparently a missionary among the Cherokees (Methodist?. Oliver Franklin Ross who md. Margaret Minerva Sellers was a preacher also (Methodist). Oliver Franklin Ross´s mother, Sarah Bonham, came from a long line of ministers (including Malakiah Bonham (a founder of the 7th Day Adventists). Whatever as to the professions in the family I am sure that we are pursuing the right trail.

I am also pursuing a DNA trail and have done a full mtDNA test. I have requested that Family Tree DNA makes a group for people who have done so, in order that we can identify our female ancestors (and our male ancestors, in doing so).

Although I understand why Marie wants us to keep everything on-line here, it is not possible to send gedcoms via this forum. Would it help any of you to receive my gedcom? It is in the Ancestry format. I can convert if necessary.

Thank you again so much for your help.

Looks like we may be "cousins" and even if not, as or more helpful to one another, in finding our family than other closer relatives.

Yours truly,
Linda
=======

I haven't been working on the Sellers for a while, but.....Nathan Thompson
followed the migratory route of a number of inter-related families from old
Rutherford/Burke Co, NC who pushed westward to spread the Gospel.

1790 Rutherford Co., NC census p. 140

9th Company
Nathan Thompson 1+16, 1 - 16, 3 females

(listed between Ezekl. Falkner and Wm. Queen)

1791 Buncombe Co created from the large western portion of old Rutherford and
a smaller portion of Burke Co., NC.

1800 Buncombe Co., NC Morgan District p. 190 (loosely alphabetized)
Nathaiel Thompson 3 . . 1 .// 2 2 . 1 .

1808 Haywood created from western portion of Old Buncombe Co., NC

1810 Haywood Co., NC 6th Nov. 1810 p. 201
Thompson, Nathan 0 1 2 0 1 // 1 2 2 1 0

1820
(can't find Nathan in Haywood Co. NC as head of household)

Macon Co., NC created 1828

1830 Haywood Co., NC p. ?

Nathan Thompson 1 m 20 to 30, 1 m 60 to 70 //
1 f 15 to 20, 1 f 20 to 30, 1 f 40 to 50, 1 f
60 to 70

(living next to Nathan Thompson is James Sellers - 1 m 0 to und. 5, 1 m 30 to
und.40//
1 f 5 to und. 10, 1 f 30 to und. 40 )

 

1840 Macon Co., NC census p. 161
Nathan Thompson 1 m 70 to und. 80//
1 f 50 to und. 60, 1 f 60 to und. 70

(neighbors include: Nathan DeHart, John Kirkland, John Bradshaw, Price
Shuler, John Hyde, George Shuler)

1850 Macon Co., NC census 13th Sept. p. 348B

452 462
Nathan Thompson 88 MW Clergyman Md. (Methodist) $300 New Jrsy
Nathan B. " 53 M W Laborer
Rutherford
Elizabeth Sherril 64 F W
Lincoln
Henry Rader 14 M W
Burke

(neighbor Nathan DeHart from 1840 still living 5 households away. Nathan
SeHart was born 1780 in Rowan Co., NC to Richard Elias and Elizabeth Tolerson
DeHart, who migrated to Wayne Co., KY )

1851 Jackson Co., NC created

Charmaine Ernst


==========

Marie,

Thank you. That is the same Nathan Thompson but I have not found a pension file. I have all of the children and almost all of the marriages (but not Jane´s marriage!) from the Buchanan bible records.

Nathan Thompson md. Esther Black in Lincoln Co. NC 19 Aug 1785, bondsman William Killen = Killian, minister John Moore

In 1800 Nathan Thompson was in Rutherford NC - there are 2 Nathan Thompsons in Rutherford NC in 1800: one has family 2-1-3 and one has family 1-1-3 (this would be the family)

In 1810 Nathan Thompson was in Buncombe NC

In 1810 Nathan Thomson was in Haywood NC

In 1820 there is a Nathan Thomson in Robeson NC but I don´t think that is may Nathan

In 1830 Nathan Thompson is in Haywood NC

In 1840 Nathan is in Macon NC

Do you want names of all of the children and their spouses?

Now that James Sellers living in the same neighbourhood as Nathan Thompson in 1830 looks very interesting! I am not sure of the exact date of birth of Margaret Minerva Sellers - in the censuses her age variation would indicate that she was b. 1824-1828. If she was b. 1824 the data would fit. The boy under age 5 would be brother John W Sellers and there was another boy age 5-10 (I don´t know of other siblings but have always considered that possible). The ages of James and his wife would fit. So that looks like a great possibility.

I have not been able to find a family that fits in the 1840 census, neither in NC or TN. I also looked in MO and MS. Rute E. Sellers was b. 27 Sep 1839 in Rutherford Co. NC. In 1850, Jane is alone. It is possible that Mr. Sellers died before the 1840 census and Jane was living with a relative?

Thank you so much! I think we need to find out more about this James Sellers.

Linda

 

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Emne: Re: [SELLERS]Margaret Minerva Sellers of Sellers Family from NC, TN & MS, with a brief period in MO - update - Jane Thompson was MM Sellers´s mother

LINDA, do you have a time line on NATHAN THOMPSON?
DATES and places on census=
Any marriages = dates and places.
I tried, but, don't know if same one. I am sure you have a better idea, etc.

Is he the same REV WAR listed in 1840 MACON CO, NC Pensioners List ? =
Name: Nathan Thompson
State: NC
County: Macon County
Township: Age 78 No Township Listed (ca1762, msh)
Year: 1840
Page: 139
Database: NC 1840 Pensioners List
=
Do You have a copy of this pension file? It could possibly list kids names and perhaps a husband?

Is he the same 1830 Haywood Co, NC =
1830
Name: Nathan Thompson
Residence: 1830 - Haywood, North Carolina

SELLERS, James 1100010000000-0100010000000 5=
MALE 30/40
MALE 5/10 =
MALE U 5 =
FEMALE 30/40 =
FEMALE 5/10 =
next
THOMPSON, Nathan 0000100010000-0001101010000 6 =
====
1840 = are we in TN? (JAMES SELLERS?)=
J A Celler Not Stated, Lincoln, Tennessee = 00002-00001= NO kids = 0 (lays next/close to Bedford/Coffee,msh) James Sellars Not Stated, Grainger, Tennessee (believe he is proven, msh) James Sellars Not Stated, Lawrence, Tennessee = still here in 1850 James Sellers Not Stated, Bradley, Tennessee =( believe he is proven, msh) James Sellers Not Stated, Roane, Tennessee (believe proven, msh) James Sellers Not Stated, Wayne, Tennessee = James Sellers 110001-/120001 James Y Sellers Not Stated, Maury, Tennessee (believe he is proven, msh) Jane Sellers Not Stated, Jefferson, Tennessee (WHO is this?msh)=JANE SELLERS, PAGE 300=01-100001 (short a dau?) or one working/living outside home? James Sullins Not Stated, Cannon, Tennessee = ?

Probably should do same on 1840 MO?
===
Help where you can.
marie, iowa

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Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 4:13 AM
To: SELLERS@rootsweb.com
Subject: [SELLERS] Margaret Minerva Sellers of Sellers Family from NC, TN & MS, with a brief period in MO - update - Jane Thompson was MM Sellers´s mother

Dear all,

Marie was so kind as to provide a link to data I have presented in searching for my Margaret Minerva Sellers´s parents : http://www.sellers-sellars-sollars-zellars.net/margaretminerva.htm .

I have been searching for the parents of MM Sellers and oddly enough, have identified MM Sellers´s mother, but still do not know who her father was. Besides the above link, I have also given census data etc., which can be found by searching for my name (Linda Peacock) in the mailing list archives. MM Sellers´s mother was Jane Thompson b. 24 Apr 1797, Rutherford Co. NC, md. UNK Sellers in NC in 1825 or before 1825; Jane Thompson Sellers died between 1870 and 1880 in Tippah Co., MS. UNK Sellers d. sometime between 1839 and 1850 (Jane is alone with her family in St. Francis MO in 1850. 2 of the Sellers children, Margaret Minerva Sellers and John Sellers md. children of Rice Farrar Ross and Sarah Bonham Ross, Oliver Franklin Ross and Emily F. Ross, respectively. The Rosses had lived in Lincoln Co. NC but were in Bedford Co. TN at the time that MM Sellers and John Sellers md.. MM Sellers md. Oliver Franklin Ross 15 July 1844 and John Ross md. Emily F.Sellers abt. 1849.

Jane Thompson´s parents were Nathan Thompson b. 28 Aug 1762 (NJ); d. 10 Oct 1854 Jackson Co. NC md. 19 Aug 1785 in Lincoln Co. NC, Esther Black b. 17 Jan 1769 NC, d. 23 May 1835 Jackson Co. NC. Jane Thompson´s parents are documented in a transcript of a family bible belonging to Roy S. Buchanan of Jackson Co., NC. Esther Black´s parents were Thomas Black and Elizabeth UNK of Lincoln Co. NC.

Maybe this will help one of you identify my UNK Mr. Sellers.

Thanks,

Linda Peacock
====

Charmaine,

Thank you!

I certainly think the James Sellers in Haywood Co NC in 1830 fits well.

The James Sellers in Macon Co. is interesting but I can´t see a girl who fits Maragaret Minerva´s age (she would be 10-15 or 15-20) unless she was with her grandmother for some reason. In both households, none of the females would match Jane´s age. But it is an interesting possibility and Jane´s father, Nathan Thompson, was also in Macon Co NC in 1840. I also noticed a Joel Sawyer on the same page and Jane´s sister, Esther Eliza md. a Joel Sawyer.

Linda

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I made a mistake on the 1830 James Sellers census info.

1830 Haywood Co., NC census p. ?

James Sellers

1 m 0 to und. 5 1 f 5 to und. 10
1 m 5 to und. 10 1 f 30 to und. 40
1 m 30 to und. 40

Living next to Nathan Thompson

Seems to be a candidate for the James Sellars who appears on the 1840 Macon
Co., NC census p. 134A

James Sellars

1 m 5 to und. 10 2 f 0 to und.5
2 m 10 to und. 15 (extra child..relative?) 1 f 5 to und. 10
1 m 40 to und. 50 1 f 30 to und. 40

The wife's age is a bit off, but could be on the line to turn 40, but census

enumerated before her birthday.

This James Sellers is living next to the widowed Margarert Sellars who has a

number of children in her household. They are also a few households away from
Joshua Hall, Sr, who married Sarah Sellers (dau. of Robert Sellers, Sr of
Burke Co., NC, and the household of Moses Hall, the son of Rev. Joshua and Sarah
Sellers Hall. Also list several people who appear as neighbors in Haywood Co.,
NC in 1830.

Charmaine Ernst

========

Hi Georgia,

Did the James Sellers you are mentioning live in Haywood Co. NC in 1830? Have you listed the dates of the births of the children before? Were there other children (need Justiana). I guesss it is possible that Ruth E was Ruth Esther but she always went by the name Ruth. He does sound interesting. Is it possible that this James died before the 1840 census?

Thank you for your help.

Linda

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Emne: Re: [SELLERS]Margaret Minerva Sellers of Sellers Family from NC, TN & MS, with a brief period in MO - update - Jane Thompson was MM Sellers´s mother

Linda and I have discussed that possibly Jane Thompson married James
Sellers, son of John Sellers and Unknown, grandson of Robert Sellers Sr. of
Burke County, NC. I have that James Sellers was born about 1792 in North
Carolina and went to Tennessee. He married an Unknown Thompson and had the
following children: Nathan Sellers, James Sellers, John Sellers, Ester
Sellers and Minerva Sellers. It is interesting that Jane Thompson is the
daughter of Nathan Thompson and James Sellers and Unknown Thompson named
their first son, Nathan Sellers. Also he has an Ester Sellers and Nathan
Thompson was married to Esther Black.

The James Sellers of Lawrence County, TN in 1840 and 1850 ends up in Maury
County, TN by 1860. Maury County, TN, is where most of the sons of James
T/Y Sellers that died in Chatham County, NC circa 1805 ended up shortly
after the death of James T/Y Sellers in Chatham County, NC.

All of this is from early family history and I have been unable to trace
this line. Could Ester Sellers be Ruth E. Sellers?

Georgia #1

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& MS, with a brief period in MO - update - Jane Thompson was MM Sellers´s
mother

\=====

There are two different views on John Sellers, father of James Sellers. I
am finding people that say his father is Abraham Lenda "Jesse" Sellers but
Robert Sellers Sr. of Burke County, NC also had a son, John Sellers. Robert
Sellers Sr.'s son John might possibly be the John that was in Rutherford
County, NC. I am inclined to think that the Margaret Sellers, widow, in
Haywood County, NC, was the wife of John Sellers.

James' brothers, Abraham Sellers and Isaac Marion Sellers both married in
Haywood County, NC

Georgia

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IF James Sellers is Margaret Minerva Seller´s father, it would fit with naming practices that John was the father of James and that Margaret was the mother. Mr. Sellers and Jane Thompson´s two eldest known children were named Margaret and John. There are no known Abrahams in the family. James R Sellers, son of John Sellers, Margaret Minerva´s brother, had a son named James R. by his first wife and a son named Robert by his 2nd marriage. This all fits nicely. (Widow Margaret was in Macon Co. NC in 1840).

Thank you Georgia

I hope that at some point some of these descendants will crawl out of the woodwork!!

Linda

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Very nice work again Charmaine!

I did not have this marriage bond info, but what you have found fits what I have. Plus you have found more, that Jesse Thompson md. Rachel Welch. I don´t have a James Thompson. I have no idea who Henry Rader was.

To you, and to any and all here, I can provide copies of what is known about the Nathan Thompson family, bible records and extended family records if you are interested (these are JPEG files and fairly large, unfortunately).

I am going to go ahead and list what I know about the Children of Nathan Thompson and Esther Black and their marriages, data combined from refs. 1 & 2)and in an abbreviated version as a number of generations are included in the refs.:

1) Elizabeth (b. 23 Feb 1786, Lincoln Co. NC and d. Aft 1870, Macon Co. NC), md. 23 Jul 1831, Macon Co. NC, Uriah "Ute" Sherrill (b. ca. 1754, NC; d. 1838, NC). Uriah was son of Samuel, Sr. and Mary Preston? There were no children by this marriage. (I (LP) think that Uriah had children by a previous marriage, as there was a Uriah Sherrill in Coffee Co. TN).

2) Mary "Polly" D. (b. 18 Dec 1787; d. 10 Apr 1832, Haywood Co. NC) md. 11 Aug 1820, Haywood Co., NC, Alexander Crisp (b. 1797; d. 1870, Cherokee Co. NC). Alexander Crisp was son of Bray Crisp. They had 3 children all b. Haywood Co. NC: Rachel b. 1826 md. William McConnell: Nathan b. 1826 md. Jane Crisp and Miller b. 1829 md. Nancy Crisp. And yes, Nathan and Jane did marry spouses named Crisp.

3) Samuel (b. 15 Mar 1790, Rutherford Co. NC)

4) Thomas (b. 6 May 1792, Rutherford Co. NC). And this is not in the refs. But it is correct that he md. Nancy Enloe.

5) Nathan Byers (b. 26 Feb 1795, Rutherford Co. NC) md. ? and children ? Ref. 2 says there was one son, William B. Thompson who md. a Jane UNK.

6) Jane (b. 24 Apr 1797, Rutherford Co. NC) - is my Jane Thompson who md. an UNK Sellers

7) Esther Eliza (b. 15 Mar 1800, Buncombe Co. NC; d. 1863, Swain Co. NC) md. 20 Nov 1823, Haywood Co. NC, Joel Alexander Sawyer (b- 1800 Greenville SC and d. 13 Jan 1866 Swain Co. NC). Joel Sawyer was son of William, Sr. and Elizabeth Crisp. They had 10 children: William Hamilton b. 8 Aug 1824 Haywood NC md. Elizabeth Jane Welch; Sarah A. "Sally" b. 25 Feb 1826 Haywood Co NC md. Adolphus Burton Welch; Esther Eliza b. 1829 md. Joel (Joseph) Rose; Rutha Melvina b. 13 Apr 1830, Macon Co NC md. Phillip Marcus Chambers; John Love b. 29 May 1833 Macon Co. NC md. 1) Louisa Welch & 2) Nancy E. Medlin; Nathan Thompson b. 17 Nov 1835 Macon Co. NC md. 1) Alvira Minerva Bradshaw & 2) Martha Loucinda Cathey; Joel Alexander, Jr. b. 1837 did not marry; Thomas Paton b. 19 Dec 1840 Macon Co. NC md. Margaret Jane "Peggy" Stillwell; Samuel B. "Solomon" b. 1843 never md.; James Lovel b. 9 Mar 1848, Macon Co. NC md. Roxanna "Roxie" Paralee Ashe.

8) Ruth Richardson (b. 6 Oct 1802, Buncombe Co. NC; d. 15 Jun 1872 NC) md. 26 Jan 1832 Joseph Buchanan (1794-1880). Joseph Buchanan was son of James and Martha Black (Martha was sister of Esther Black). They had 8 children: Nathan b. 7 Jan 1833 md. Martha Ann Dills; James b. 15 Jun 1836 md. Rebecca Bryson; Lorenzo Dow b. 20 Sep 1839 did not marry; Martha b. 7 Aug 1834 d. age 3; William H b. 1 Dec 1837 d. age 2; Esther b. 29 Aug 1841 d. in infancy; Margaret Melissa b. 20 Jan 1843 md. Joshua Kimsey Hall; Joseph Franklin b. 14 Mar 1845 md. Matilda Paletine Wilson.

9) Jesse Richardson b. 16 Jan 1805

10) Lorenzo Dow b. 20 Feb 1807

11) John Wesley (b. 28 Apr 1809, Haywood Co. NC) md. 24 Jul 1834 Justiana Dickenson Word.

12) Sally Wesley b. 22 Jan 1812

Refs: 1) "The Bone Rattler" Vol. 11, No. 2, 1995 (Dorris D. Beck) and 2)"The Bone Rattler" Vol. 8, No. 4, 1992 (Duane Oliver)

Thank you so much Charmaine,

Linda

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Very nice work again Charmaine!

I did not have this marriage bond info, but what you have found fits what I have. Plus you have found more, that Jesse Thompson md. Rachel Welch. I don´t have a James Thompson. I have no idea who Henry Rader was.

To you, and to any and all here, I can provide copies of what is known about the Nathan Thompson family, bible records and extended family records if you are interested (these are JPEG files and fairly large, unfortunately).

I am going to go ahead and list what I know about the Children of Nathan Thompson and Esther Black and their marriages, data combined from refs. 1 & 2)and in an abbreviated version as a number of generations are included in the refs.:

1) Elizabeth (b. 23 Feb 1786, Lincoln Co. NC and d. Aft 1870, Macon Co. NC), md. 23 Jul 1831, Macon Co. NC, Uriah "Ute" Sherrill (b. ca. 1754, NC; d. 1838, NC). Uriah was son of Samuel, Sr. and Mary Preston? There were no children by this marriage. (I (LP) think that Uriah had children by a previous marriage, as there was a Uriah Sherrill in Coffee Co. TN).

2) Mary "Polly" D. (b. 18 Dec 1787; d. 10 Apr 1832, Haywood Co. NC) md. 11 Aug 1820, Haywood Co., NC, Alexander Crisp (b. 1797; d. 1870, Cherokee Co. NC). Alexander Crisp was son of Bray Crisp. They had 3 children all b. Haywood Co. NC: Rachel b. 1826 md. William McConnell: Nathan b. 1826 md. Jane Crisp and Miller b. 1829 md. Nancy Crisp. And yes, Nathan and Jane did marry spouses named Crisp.

3) Samuel (b. 15 Mar 1790, Rutherford Co. NC)

4) Thomas (b. 6 May 1792, Rutherford Co. NC). And this is not in the refs. But it is correct that he md. Nancy Enloe.

5) Nathan Byers (b. 26 Feb 1795, Rutherford Co. NC) md. ? and children ? Ref. 2 says there was one son, William B. Thompson who md. a Jane UNK.

6) Jane (b. 24 Apr 1797, Rutherford Co. NC) - is my Jane Thompson who md. an UNK Sellers

7) Esther Eliza (b. 15 Mar 1800, Buncombe Co. NC; d. 1863, Swain Co. NC) md. 20 Nov 1823, Haywood Co. NC, Joel Alexander Sawyer (b- 1800 Greenville SC and d. 13 Jan 1866 Swain Co. NC). Joel Sawyer was son of William, Sr. and Elizabeth Crisp. They had 10 children: William Hamilton b. 8 Aug 1824 Haywood NC md. Elizabeth Jane Welch; Sarah A. "Sally" b. 25 Feb 1826 Haywood Co NC md. Adolphus Burton Welch; Esther Eliza b. 1829 md. Joel (Joseph) Rose; Rutha Melvina b. 13 Apr 1830, Macon Co NC md. Phillip Marcus Chambers; John Love b. 29 May 1833 Macon Co. NC md. 1) Louisa Welch & 2) Nancy E. Medlin; Nathan Thompson b. 17 Nov 1835 Macon Co. NC md. 1) Alvira Minerva Bradshaw & 2) Martha Loucinda Cathey; Joel Alexander, Jr. b. 1837 did not marry; Thomas Paton b. 19 Dec 1840 Macon Co. NC md. Margaret Jane "Peggy" Stillwell; Samuel B. "Solomon" b. 1843 never md.; James Lovel b. 9 Mar 1848, Macon Co. NC md. Roxanna "Roxie" Paralee Ashe.

8) Ruth Richardson (b. 6 Oct 1802, Buncombe Co. NC; d. 15 Jun 1872 NC) md. 26 Jan 1832 Joseph Buchanan (1794-1880). Joseph Buchanan was son of James and Martha Black (Martha was sister of Esther Black). They had 8 children: Nathan b. 7 Jan 1833 md. Martha Ann Dills; James b. 15 Jun 1836 md. Rebecca Bryson; Lorenzo Dow b. 20 Sep 1839 did not marry; Martha b. 7 Aug 1834 d. age 3; William H b. 1 Dec 1837 d. age 2; Esther b. 29 Aug 1841 d. in infancy; Margaret Melissa b. 20 Jan 1843 md. Joshua Kimsey Hall; Joseph Franklin b. 14 Mar 1845 md. Matilda Paletine Wilson.

9) Jesse Richardson b. 16 Jan 1805

10) Lorenzo Dow b. 20 Feb 1807

11) John Wesley (b. 28 Apr 1809, Haywood Co. NC) md. 24 Jul 1834 Justiana Dickenson Word.

12) Sally Wesley b. 22 Jan 1812

Refs: 1) "The Bone Rattler" Vol. 11, No. 2, 1995 (Dorris D. Beck) and 2)"The Bone Rattler" Vol. 8, No. 4, 1992 (Duane Oliver)

Thank you so much Charmaine,

Linda

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In a message dated 5/27/07 2:25:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
lindapeacock@vip.cybercity.dk writes:

> 1) Elizabeth (b. 23 Feb 1786, Lincoln Co. NC and d. Aft 1870, Macon
> Co.
> NC),
> md. 23 Jul 1831, Macon Co. NC, Uriah "Ute" Sherrill (b. ca. 1754, NC; d.
> 1838, NC). Uriah was son of Samuel, Sr. and Mary Preston? There were no
> children by this marriage. (I (LP) think that Uriah had children by a
> previous marriage, as there was a Uriah Sherrill in Coffee Co. TN).
>
>

There were several Uriah "Ute" Sherrills. Appears to have been a family name
that was used by descendants of the original Uriah "Ute" Sherrill who first
settled in old Rowan Co., NC.

In 1830 there was a Ute Sherrill listed on the Haywood Co., NC census. He is
younger and has a wife and 3 children:

Ute Sherrill 1 m 30 to und. 40; 1 f 0 to und. 5, 12 f 5 to und. 10, 1 f 30
to under 40.

There was also a Ute Sherrill who married Issabelae (Isabella) Enloe 16 Aug
1829 Haywood Co., NC.

I think that the Ute Sherrill who Elizabeth Thompson married 3 Jul 1831
Macon Co.,NC is the much older one(may have grown children and grandchildren at
that time):

1830 Macon Co., NC census p. 7A

Ute Sherrell 1 m 70 to und. 80. Elizabeth Thompson would have been about 55
at the tiem she married him.

This may be the same Ute Sherrill who appears on the 1790 and 1800 Burke Co.,
NC censuses.

N C State Archives has some estate records indexed by county on their site
(not all counties listed):

ah.dcr.state.nc.us/archives/FindingAids/Macon.htm.

List Ute Sherrill estate records 1840. Probably died early in the year prior
to the census being enumerated.

There are a few Sellers estate records listed for Macon also, but all later
than the Sellers you are searching for:

Sellers, J. A. 1860
George N. 1871
L. R. 1893
Mary B. 1909
Phil 1909

If you see any you find interesting, you will have to write the NC Archives
in Raleigh for the actual packet.

I found Elizabeth Thompson Sherril listed as E. Sherril on the 1860 Jackson
Co., NC (Webster Twp.) census, head, living with her brother N. B (Nathan B.)
Thompson.

They are still there in 1870, now listed in Qualla Town Twp (this is by the
Cherokee Reservation. I think I noticed that Nathan Thompson the father is
buried at Soco - (Soco Gap which runs down the mountain from old Haywood/Macon Co
land into the Cherokee Reservation as it is today)

Elizabeth still listed as head of household, now 84, with her brother N. B.
Thompson, 75 and a hired man doing farm work.

I don't find either one of them in Jackson, or adjacent counties by 1880.

If you don't have this census info I can abstract it.

Charmaine

NOINTELLG@aol.com

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Marie, Georgia and Charmaine,

That does indeed look like A John Sellers and not Gillow. There is a George higher up on the page and the way the census taker writes a G is entirely different from his S.

In 1840 there is an Abraham Sellers: 1m 0-5, 1m 40-50; 1f 0-5; 1f 20-30 And a John Sellars: 1m 10-15, 1m 15-20, 1m 40-50; 1f 10-15, 2f 15-20, 1f 40-50

Linda

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Emne: Re: [SELLERS]Margaret Minerva Sellers of Sellers Family from NC, TN & MS, with a brief period in MO - update - Jane Thompson was MM Sellers´s mother

GEORGIA, just a note to you and all.

I see or extracted on the 1830 Macon Co, NC census, page 19=
A. JOHN SELLERS = 1m 0-5, 1m 5-10, 1m 15-20, 1m 30-40; 1f 0-5, 2f 5-10, 1f 10-15, 1f 30-40; 1s , page 19
Could he be an Abraham John Sellers? He may be indexed on ancestry as A John Gillow ? Looks like Seller =Didn't recheck tonite. We also have a JOHN SELLERS 1760/70 here with David, John Samuel Sellers. Some could connect to our Lincoln Co., NC PA SELLERS ?

I haven't followed thro on 1840. I'm sure someone has. Advise thoughts, As we/I haven't followed many of these Pa kids either. They would have Later NC birth dates? marie, iowa

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From Linda's email
"Nathan Thompson md. Esther Black in Lincoln Co. NC 19 Aug 1785, bondsman

William Killen = Killian, minister John Moore"

Could the William Killen/Killian possibly be Kellum/Kellam??

Pat Borden Pat Borden [pat11138@verizon.net]

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Hi Pat,

I am sure it was William Killian. I found "The History of the Killian Family in North Carolina" online and the history writes that William Killian was the son of Leonard Killian and that William always spelled his name "Killen". Leonard Killian was son of Andrew Killian who came from PA and who was "granted" land by William Sherrill (1749). William Killian md. Mary Goodwin 28 Aug 1788, Lincoln Co. NC. They moved to IN.

Linda

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Linda:

Since many of these early settlers to the western portion of N. C. flow
together, so to speak, I was curious who might also show up in 1850 St. Francois
Co., MO, where the widow Jane Sellers and her children were living.

First I have a question. Is there a relationship with the Samuel Thompson,
age 55, born NC who is listed on page 152B. He is widowed with a small child in
the household named Justina M. Thompson, age 4, born MO. Jane Sellers is
listed on the next page 153A..and there is the daughter Justiana Sellers age 15.

I also have a comment. About the end of the 1820's a small migration of
loosely related families from western NC began to move into Missouri. One family
was that of George Cathey, Jr. Most of the children accompanied him and his
wife. William Cathey whose daughter married Nathan Thompson Sawyer remained behind
in Macon Co., NC. You find the Cathey groups spread around several MO.
counties in 1850.

Another group who migrated into Haywood Co., NC were the McFarland's, who
then moved across the border into Greene Co., TN, and that eastern TN area.
George Cathey, Jr's son George Cathey married Anna McFarland (born TN). They later
appear in Cass Co., MO.

Needless to say I was surprised to find a couple of this McFarland family
groups also listed in St. Francois Co., MO in 1850:

Three McFarland's listed living in St. Francois Co., MO in 1850 - Jacob M.,
John H. and William A. McFarland, all lived in the same Buncombe/Haywood Co.,
area as Nathan Thompson, et. al in 1800/1810.

Several other NC born individuals who look like they may also belong to the
same groupings, but I have to compare with earlier censuses and such before I
can be positive. Just wonder if there is some undiscovered family connection
which brought Jane Sellers and her children to settle in St. Francois Co., MO.

I noticed the question about the Killian name spelling. Some of these
Lincoln Co., NC Killian's marry into another one of my lines, and it was a very
prominent surname is old Lincoln Co., NC. There is Killian's Creek, and there was
the old Killian Meeting House. You still find the area fairly inundated with
the Killian family surname, although you will find it spread through out the
western NC counties now. But, just a little strange to see a German speaking
individual serving as bondsman to one's who weren't. Is there some kind of inter
marriage with the Thompson or Black family lines in Lincoln Co., NC (or the
earlier Tryon Co., NC, which was abolished after the Revolutionary War, with
part of Tryon taken to form Lincoln and the other portion forming old Rutherford
Co., NC )?

Charmaine


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Charmaine:

Okay, well it is all very confusing but I do think we are getting somewhere here (thanks to your knowledge and efforts, and the same as to Georgia´s and Marie´s knowledge and efforts). All of these families are certainly connected somehow and we "just" need to disentangle them.

You have now given me some more information as to the "Hall" branch of the family. Thank you!

As to the ministers in the family, I have a long line of those, including Nathan Thompson who was apparently a missionary among the Cherokees (Methodist?. Oliver Franklin Ross who md. Margaret Minerva Sellers was a preacher also (Methodist). Oliver Franklin Ross´s mother, Sarah Bonham, came from a long line of ministers (including Malakiah Bonham (a founder of the 7th Day Adventists). Whatever as to the professions in the family I am sure that we are pursuing the right trail.

I am also pursuing a DNA trail and have done a full mtDNA test. I have requested that Family Tree DNA makes a group for people who have done so, in order that we can identify our female ancestors (and our male ancestors, in doing so).

Although I understand why Marie wants us to keep everything on-line here, it is not possible to send gedcoms via this forum. Would it help any of you to receive my gedcom? It is in the Ancestry format. I can convert if necessary.

Thank you again so much for your help.

Looks like we may be "cousins" and even if not, as or more helpful to one another, in finding our family than other closer relatives.

Yours truly,
Linda

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LINDA, thank you.

Gedcoms/attachments can Not be sent thro rootsweb, but, they can be sent to me and posted on our SELLERS web pages, so cousins etc can view/study, etc and contact you for info.

ALSO, the religion area is Very Important.
I haven't search for long time and perhaps NEW church info?
If Anyone has, Please Send.

Micah SELLERS 1786 NC, Baptist Minister, =(Roane Co., TN)
17TH YEAR he professed faith in Christ.
1809 or thereabout after a protracted delay and painful kicking against
the goads, he began his ministry, with little education and under very
"unfavorable circumstances,"but with a keen sense of responsibility and
a fixed purpose to qualify himself as best he could by the study of the
Scriptures for his high calling as a minister of Christ.
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I have always felt this was a reverse belief of his families religion, but, have NOT been able to prove religion BEFORE 1800/10? He had sister Mary Thompson. (proven, brother Cain Sellers will) perhaps, we discussed this area before.

I am hoping someday the mtdna tests will help also! ALL continue.

Thanks, marie, iowa

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Dear Marie,

>From what I have gleaned, I did not find the Patience Parker in
>question to
have any female siblings. Wonder if you or anyone else out there knows more?? If it were a Parker sibling it would have to be one who md. a Black. It is possible, as said that the connection, if any goes further back, to a sibling of Patience Parker´s mother.

Love,
Linda

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Dear Marie,

>From what I have gleaned, I did not find the Patience Parker in
>question to
have any female siblings. Wonder if you or anyone else out there knows more?? If it were a Parker sibling it would have to be one who md. a Black. It is possible, as said that the connection, if any goes further back, to a sibling of Patience Parker´s mother.

Love,
Linda

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LINDA, we haven’t collected mtdna results, but, if you have these two exact mtdna tests, would like to see, But, would need each female connected back on a simple name, date, place chart form.

I don't believe there is ANY connection with a Ydna test.

A 12 marker mtdna test is still good, just doesn't go back as many generations.

Others have more info on the PARKER families, but, I show Patience with sisters, from father's will.

Send what you have and will see what we can do for comparing . marie, iowa

 

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Hi Marie,

I don´t want to post results at FTDNA Sellers group if that´s what you mean. FTDNA only allows joining 2 subsidiary groups for some reason.

What I meant about the HVR1 + HVR2 test is that it compares to a 12 marker Y-DNA test. I am corresponding with FTDNA but getting nowhere as to making a group to match full mtDNA tests, which compare to a 41 marker Y-DNA test.
A 12 marker Y-DNA test gives a huge number of spurious surname matches and just using an HVR1+2 test to try to match female lines is really looking for a needle in a haystack.

Just thought this match to another Sellers line was interesting.

I could submit it in chart form for publication on my page - would an excel chart work?

Love,
Linda

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Mari,
 
This is the file on an Alpha Justiana Sellers, descendant of James Manson Sellers. Tom Kryssbek gave me permissinon to forward. Will forward file on James Manson Sellers by separate e-mail.
 
Perhaps you can add them to my page.
 
Tom says he thinks he is close to finding the older bible and as to the ref. he gave, he says he has to work out getting permission from the family as to sharing a photocopy. Said it took him years to get what he has now.
 
Thank you,
Linda