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ksellers [cksellers@nc.rr.com] sept 2007 (2008)
ksellers@mcs.k12.nc.us

Carl Sellers
ksellers@mcs.k12.nc.us
DATE: May 24 2001
G-grandmother Rebecca Martin Sellers applied for Civil War
pension on behalf of G-grandfather David M Sellers in 1883 and 1885. The former for
"invalid" and the latter for "widow's pension". I assume that David died sometime
between those 2 applications. He served with the 125th PA Volunteer Reg't and
the 192d PA Inf Reg't. I'm looking for confirmation or any supplementary data.
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CARL, is this BLAIR CO, PA=
1880 BLAIR CO, PA
DAVID SELLERS 48 PA, need township
REBECCA 41 PA
MARY 18 PA
JOHN 15 PA
WILLIAM 7 PA

and are we looking for his parents or just his death date?

Do you have copy of the pension file? IT should show death date?
usually.
They could be the SELLERS family in HOLLIDAYSBURG twn?
IF so, could be the MARGARET SELLERS =
1840 HUNTINGTON CO, PA
MARGRET SELLERS, PAGE 228, HOLLIDAYSBURG
wonder if this township became BLAIR CO, in 1846 when BLAIR CO was made
from part of this land?

ADVISE what you have and need.

IF they owned land, then we may be able to trace on land deeds = which
we probably need.
THANKS for sharing SELLERS, marie, iowa

Quick response--thank you. David and Rebecca were indeed in Hollidaysburg, Blair Co., Pa. They were married in July 1857--I have a
copy of the marriage certificate. The only children I know of for certain is John, Maime, and Andrew McClelland Sellers who was my
grandfather. There may have been others--I just don't know. I have a copy of the pension request she submitted, but I am waiting impatiently
for a response from NARA. It has been 3 months since I submitted my request . I have had two messages from them which basically said that
they are working on it and I should receive the data soon. It sounds like you are talking about the same family. Carl

Marie - Just reread your message. I am looking for the parents of David M Sellers. Also, there is a Huntingdon in Blair Co.. Carl

Andrew McC. Sellers was almost certainly the youngest of David & Rebecca's children. Andrew(Mac) was born 1880 in
Hollidaysburg, and David died sometime between 1883 and '85. My father(David McC.) was the eldest of eleven children in their family. He
was born Mar. 1906 in Hollidaysburg and married Nelda G Showalter. They had 5 children of which I was the eldest. The Sellers stayed in the
Hollidaysburg/Altoona area up to the start of WWII. Then they began to scatter to Fla., NC, Md., & Oh. Maybe elsewhere as well, but these
are the places I know about. I'll keep you informed if I find anything new. I appreciate your interest--you do good work. Carl

CARL,
Thanks, Can you find a connection here in DAUPHIN CO, PA= check the 1850 census =
http://showcase.netins.net/web/sellerfamily/padauph.htm=
484    Middle Paxton
    David Sellers      51      Day Laborer
                           Elizabeth          46
                           Franklin           21
                           Jane               18
                           David              16 (1834)
                           Amos               14
                           Bailey              9
                           Charles             7
                           Samuel             33      Day Laborer

ANY HELP needed on Links to these familes and WHERE they went, marie, iowa

Marie - I hope you can read the attached article. I just found out yesterday that my g-grandfather was born in Dauphin Co.
rather than in Blair Co. where he lived later on and where he was married. Now I'm looking for his parents, but I have no clue
who they were. If anyone out there can help, I will greatly appreciate it.
Carl Sellers

hphphp175.jpg

CARL,
Looks like we are back to MARGARET SELLERS 1850 BLAIR CO, PA
MARG. SELLERS 50 PA, PAGE 97, HOLLIDAYSBURG
MARG. 20 PA
HIRAM 23 PA, BOMB? BUILDER
SUSAN 16 PA
two doors down
DAVID AND JANE CARTER 48/49PA/PA
next
GEORGE AND ELIZA J. BROWN 37/30/PA/PA

ANN SELLERS 16 PA , PAGE 207, BLAIR
living with
DAVID CASSIDY33 PA
ELIZABETH 30 PA

DAVID SELLERS 19 PA, LABORER, PAGE 107,HOLLIDAYSBURG
living with
R. THOMPSON 30 PA, BLACKSMITH
MARY 28 PA
MARG. 5 PA
CARA? 3F PA
JOHN 1 PA
JACOB ANDRESA 19 PA
SOPHIA COBERBAUGH 15F PA

GEORGE W. SELLERS 25 PA, LABORER, LAND $450, PAGE 109, HOLLIDAYSBURG
MARY 25 PA
MARY E. 1 PA

NOW, if he was born in 1832 in Middletown, DAUPHIN CO, PA, we have
1830 DAUPHIN CO, PA= NEED AGES
CHRISTOPHER SELLERS, PAGE 32 MIDDLE PAXTON
DAVID SELLERS, PAGE 33 MIDDLE PAXTON
GEORGE SELLERS, PAGE 166 MIDDLETOWN
GEORGE SELLERS, PAGE 32 MIDDLE PAXTON
JEREMIAH SELLERS, PAGE 130 LONDONDERRY
JOHN SELLERS, PAGE 33 MIDDLE PAXTON
------------------------------------------------------------------------

1840 DAUPHIN CO, PA =
JOHN SELER, PAGE 227 HARRISBURG
several SEILERS in Harrisburg
CHRISTOPHER SELLERS, PAGE 309 MIDDLE PAXTON
JOHN SELLERS, PAGE 306 MIDDLE PAXTON
GEORGE SELTERS, PAGE 263 DERRY
LENARD SULER, PAGE 272 HANOVER
JACOB ZELLAR, PAGE 318 HALIFAX
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GEORGE SELLERS lived in MIDDLETOWN in 1830. Did MIDDLETOWN land make
some other townships from its land?
OR did we move in 1832/5 to BLAIR CO area, which was made in 1846 from
Huntingdon, Bedford)
OR did we have a land change in Dauphin Co, Pa?
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1830 HUNTINGTON CO, PA
JAMES SELLERS, PAGE 79 MORRIS TWP
REUBEN SALIARD, PAGE 118 HOPEWELL
WILLIAM SOLDERS, PAGE 54 WARRIORS MARK TWP
JOHN SOLERS, PAGE 25 SPRINGFIELD TWP
WILLIAM SOLERS, PAGE 25 SPRINGFIELD TWP

1840 HUNTINGDON CO, PA =
ANTHONEY M. SELLARS, PAGE 285, TODD
JAMES SELLERS, PAGE 382 MORRIS
MARGRET SELLERS, PAGE 228, HOLLIDAYSBURG

BENJAMIN SOLLARS, PAGE 175 SPRINGFIELD
THOMAS SOLARS, PAGE 176, SPRINGFIELD
JACOB SHELLENBERGER, PAGE 387 , MORRIS
JOHN SILAR, PAGE 370 FRANKLIN
NO ZELLERS, ETC
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WE could check for a GEORGE and MARGARET marriage certificate or
cemetery.
DOES ANYONE know these families.
YOU might check out info , etc on HUNTINGDON page.
http://showcase.netins.net/web/sellerfamily/pahunt.htm
They may have some info online also?
IF you find anything , advise. marie, iowa

Nice going! The last list you sent contains all the names of G-grandfather David's family. I see his mother was
Margaret, but no mention of his father. I am guessing that he had died by then. G-grandfather David was farmed out to the
Thompson family--Thompson was a blacksmith and David "in early life he learned the trade of a blacksmith" according to the
news article about his death. You've made the connection and I can't thank you enough. I'll keep in touch when I hear from NARA.
Carl
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I've sorted out some of the names you sent: in 1850 Blair census, Hiram was a brother who ended up in Cumberland,MD(just over the
PA state line),Mary was a sister,Marg(Margaret?) was the mother(G-g-grandmother), George was an older brother. Don't know for sure, but
Margaret's husband may have been either David or George. David also had a sister named Margaret and another named Sue. David and
Rebecca had children named John, Mary(called Maime), William, and Andrew (my grandfather). I knew John personally when I was a lad in
Hollidaysburg and I recall vividly hearing about aunt Maime because she used to visit Andrew often. Thank you again for getting me on track
Carl

CARL, thanks.
We need an Extraction of Names,dates, places from the article you shared with us.
Know what I mean?
I can't quite read it good enough to be correct as you are. (yes, I used a magnifying glass also)
Don't have to type WHOLE = Just the names, dates, places.

The INDEX showed MARGARET SELLERS as her name.
The Actual Census reading was MARG. (with period behind name) (which probably is an abbr for MARGARET) I try and use the original, from whatever info I see info. daughter on THAT census was Marg. also I believe.?

WOULD like to have a history on the TOWNSHIPS of DAUPHIN CO, PA.
WHICH made from What other township.
ASK for a lookup on usgenweb/pa/dauphin co

DON'T have info on ALLEGHANY CO, MD for HIRAM SELLERS
and we don't know when he went there.
maybe he is in PA till?
We may have the 1870 PA index.
DO you use ancestry.com for index checks? Sometimes, that info helps when you and others send it to us , TILL, we can get the original copy.

DOES ANYONE have a census/marriage/death /child that may help here?

THANKS, marie, iowa

From: CARL
"ksellers" <ksellers@mcs.k12.nc.us>
- Following is from the ALTOONA MORNING TRIBUNE dated 6 April 1891: Deceased David M Sellers , born on March 24, 1832 in Middleton, Dauphin Co. Married to Rebecca Martin with children Mary B Sellers, John G Sellers, William J Sellers, and Andrew A Sellers.
Brother Hiram Sellers of Cumberland, Md.,
sister Mrs Sue Proctor of Altoona,
brother George Sellers, and
Mrs Margaret McClosky both of Hollidaysburg.
He was buried in the Lutheran cemetary, Hollidaysburg. How's that?

From:
       "ksellers" <ksellers@mcs.k12.nc.us>
      Courtesy of Ancestry, I found Hiram Sellers in Cumberland, Alleghany Co. Md in the 1860 census. He's listed on page 34. No other family mentioned. David's sister Margaret Sellers McClosky had a daughter Annie who married Jacob S Beamer.
Annie was born 9 Aug 1852 in Hollidaysburg and died 17 June 1931 in Altoona. Nothing further on Margaret.
                                                                                       Carl

A recap of what I know from census records and the info I got from you:Dauphin Co. 1810 census lists Margaret
Sellers who was my G-g-grandmother. From you I find George Sellers in the 1830 census. David was born in 1832 so he
didn't appear in any census for Dauphin. In 1835, the family moved to Blair Co. In the 1850 census for Blair Co. (the portion
you sent me) I find Margaret age 50, a daughter named Margaret, a daughter named Susan, sons named George and David. I
did not find the other son named Hiram, but he is listed in the 1860 census for Alleghany Co., MD in the town of Cumberland.
According to David's obit, that's exactly where he should have been. The daughter Margaret married Michael Mcclosky and
resided in Altoona. The daughter Susan married a man named Proctor. I do not know who George married. David married
my G-grandmother Rebecca Martin in 1857. Their children were Mary(Maime), John G, William J, and Andrew McC. who
was my grandfather. Still waiting for NARA, but will send you an extract when I get it. Keep up the good work. I'm sure all
the other Sellers families appreciate it as much as I do. Carl Sellers

I finally received my G-grandfather's files from NARA. It only took 10 months! There wer two requests for pensions: the first from
David M Sellers for injuries received during the Civil War, and the second from his wife Rebecca Martin Sellers for a widow's pension after
David died. He died in Apr 1891 after suffering 3 strokes. Rebecca died in Nov 1910 after receiving her last pension payment of $12.00 in Oct.
David was a "wagoner" in Co. D, 125th PA Vol. Inf Reg't and suffered his injuries when a wagon load of logs rolled over on him. As was the
rule during that war, he was hospitalized for 2 days and released for duty for which he was not fit to perform. His comrades cared for him in the
field, but he never fully recovered from his injuries. I garnered all this from the affidavits that accompanied his pension application.

Last time I contacted you, I mentioned that I was looking for David's parents--with your help I tracked down his mother's name:Margaret
Wilson Sellers of Dauphin Co. With the help of another family researcher, I found his father's name: George Sellers, also of Dauphin Co. I am
now waiting for a response from the Dauphin Co. Historical Soc. regarding a marriage certificate, death certificate for George who died about
1834 while still in Dauphin Co. I am slowly but not surely closing in on my ancestors in the 18th century. Thanks again for all your help.
Carl Sellers

CARL, Thank you for keeping us up to date. We appreciate.
Did the application give his PLACE of birth? Dauphin Co?

NOW, do we know Which GEORGE SELLERS in 1830 DAUPHIN CO this is (we
don't have ages posted Or we might be able to tell by that also)
GEORGE SELLERS, PAGE 166 MIDDLETOWN
GEORGE SELLERS, PAGE 32 MIDDLE PAXTON

neither are here in 1840 and Margaret is in Huntingdon Co??? OR and didn't see
a George there. He could be in another county? marie, iowa

I haveDavid's obit from the Altoona Morning Tribune, dated Apr 6, 1891 in which it states that he was born in Middletown, Dauphin
Co. in Mar. 1832. I assume that the George Sellers in 1830, Middletown is David's father. After doing a little arithmetic, I concluded that George
died there about 1834. One year later, Margaret moved to Hollidaysburg in either Bedford or Huntingdon Co. Blair Co was formed from Bedford
Co. in 1849. Also, pretty sure that Margaret was born in 1800--she appears in the Blair Co. census of 1850,'60, and '70 as aged 50, 60, and 70
years of age. Carl

CARL, Thanks, will mark him, so I remember and others will know he connects to you.
Now, was MARGARET a WILSON? we could check for WILSON wills,
OR have we checked ANY GEORGE SELLERS in wills connected to this area?

WE just DON'T seem to be able to connect DAUPHIN CO, PA SELLERS families
OR are we Just Not connecting to one of these side counties ?
THANKS for sharing. marie, iowa

Margaret was a Wilson. George and Margaret's last child was born in 1834 in Dauphin Co. I think her name was also Margaret.
She later married a guy named Michael Mcclosky in Blair Co. I assume George was around 9 months before the birth of young Margaret, so that
puts him there in 1833 or 34. When Margaret moved to Hollidaysburg in 1835, George was not there and that's how I calculated that he must
have died about 1834. I found a ton of Margaret Wilsons, but none who married George Sellers. I'm still searching. Carl

CARL, Thank you.
I appreciate you Sharing this info and your family.

But, the person who shared or thinks the GEORGE SELLERS is father =
HAS other documents? WILL they Share?

OR just thinking like we did = extractions/eliminations of families on 1830 census.
NOT much proof, BUT, all WE have.

THANK YOU,
that's All the questions that I think ALL Our SELLERS need info on.
marie, iowa

Hi Marie - In answer to some inquiries you received regardingmy grandfather "Mac" Sellers--he was born 19 July 1880 in Hollidaysburg, Blair Co., PA. He was baptized in the Methodist Episcopal Congregation by Rev.
J.B.Shaver on 27 Jan. 1881. He worked in a slaughter house on Juniata St. for most of his life. He died in 1937 between Sep. and Dec. at home.
     The name Andrew McClelland was for a man by that name who married Margaret(Maggie)Martin who
happened to be a sister of my g-grandmother Rebecca Martin Sellers. He was apparently a family favorite for whatever reason.
     As for Margaret's move from Dauphin Co. to Hollidaysburg (Bedfrod Co. at that time) in 1835, I don't know the reason for the move, but based on the birth dates of the children, and the fact that g-g-grandfather George was
listed on the 1830 census in Dauphin Co., I believe George died about 1834-35 in Dauphin Co. In Hollidaysburg,
David was "farmed out" to R. Thompson a blacksmith. This jibes with David's trade noted in his obit as a blacksmith. The other children listed in the 1850 Blair Co. census--Margaret Ann, Hiram, and Susan were living at
home. Hiram is listed in the Cumberland, MD Directory,1890, as a boat builder.
     Hope this helps someone out there.
Carl Sellers

12 Feb 2002 18:59:00 -0700
From:
ksellers@mcs.k12.nc.us

http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JWGBAEB/964

>From the Altoona Morning Tribune dated 6 Apr 1891:
"We again chronicle the news of a sudden death, In the
person of Mr. David Sellers, brief mention of which was
made in Saturday's TRIBUNE. During the past few months Mr.
Sellers suffered three strokes of paralysis and the last
one, occurring at his home on Juniata street near Hickory
street, at 8 o'clock on Friday evening, caused his death.
The deceased was born on March 24, 1832 at Middletown, in
Dauphin county. He came here in 1835 and remained a citizen
of our community up until the day of his death. In early
life he learned the trade of a blacksmith, but of late
years, owing to his bodily infirmities and a weakness of his
eyesight, he has led a retired life. He served his country
well as a private in company G, One Hundred Twenty 5th
regiment. On June 16, 1857, he was married to Miss Rebecca
Martin, a daughter of John R. Martin,who,with the following
children, Miss Mary B, John G., William J., and A.
McClelland Sellers all of this place survive him. He was
also a brother of Hiram Sellers of Cumberland, Md., Mrs. Sue
Proctor, of Altoona, Mr. George Sellers and Mrs. Margaret
McCloskey, both of this place. He was a member of Colonel
William G. Murray post No. 119 Independent Order of Odd
Fellows. In his domestic relations, he was an affectionate
husband and indulgent father; and was genial, companiable
and unassumed in his intercourse with the world. For many
years he was a member of the Methodist-Episcopal church.
The funeral services were performed by Rev. W.W. Dunmire,
assisted by Rev. Dr. D.H. Barron, at 2 o'clock yesterday
afternoon in the Methodist-Episcopal church. The remains
were laid to rest in the Lutheran cemetery, and the
impressive ritualistic services of the Grand Army and Odd
Fellows were at the grave, in the presence of a large
concourse of people."
David was my G-G-Grandfather--Andrew McClelland
Sellers was my Grandfather.

CARL, Thanks.
WHO are ANY of these 1820/30 DAUPHIN CO,PA SELLERS families?
probably related.
FIND out HOW and WHY, etc
MAKE a Note by each name and advise.

ANYONE else know? Advise

GO to 1820 and 1830 DAUPHIN CO, PA CENSUS =

1820 DAUPHIN CO,PA=NEED AGES
FREDERICK CELLERS, PAGE 143 MIDDLE PAXTON
STOPHEL CELLERS, PAGE 143 MIDDLE PAXTON

GEORGE SELLERS, PAGE 108 DERRY=100020-101=
2 males 26/45 = 1775/1794
male u 10
female 16/26
female u 10
next
JOHN SHEARER
JAMES JACKSN
JOHN RIDDLE
MARY MARSHALL

GEORGE SELLERS, PAGE 113 LONDONDERRY=0001-101=
male 16/26 = 1794/1804
female 16/26
female u 10
next
SAMUEL LOCKHART
SIMEON GIGLOVE
MARY ORTER
CHRISTIAN LANDIS
DAVID HENRY

JOHN SELLERS, PAGE 108 DERRY
JOHN SELLERS, PAGE 114 LONDONDERRY
No Zellers
WILSONS?

1830 DAUPHIN CO, PA= NEED AGES
CHRISTOPHER SELLERS, PAGE 32 MIDDLE PAXTON=021001-1120001=
MALE 30/40
FEMALE 40/50

DAVID SELLERS, PAGE 33 MIDDLE PAXTON =10001-0001=
male 20/30
male
female 15/20
next
JANE SPARDE? 40/50
JOHN SELLERS, page =1101001001-02001=
male 70/80 = 1750/1760
male 40/50= 1780/1790
female 30/40
next
JOSEPH BELL
JOHN KANDRY
JOHN MENEDY

GEORGE SELLERS, PAGE 166 MIDDLETOWN=110001-111001=
male 30/40

female 30/40
(WHAT twn or area MIDDLETOWN twn made from?msh) (check Carl's page)CkBlairCo,Pa
next
JACOB SHURTZ
CALEB PRICE
JOHN WATSON
MARY G/JONTRY
ELIZ LAUGHEAD

GEORGE SELLERS, PAGE 32 MIDDLE PAXTON=0210001-111001=
male 40/50
female 30/40
next
JAMES BELL
SAMUEL LOUTZ
SAMUEL MILLER
ABRAHAM HUNSBERGER

JEREMIAH SELLERS, PAGE 130 LONDONDERRY
JOHN SELLERS, PAGE 33 MIDDLE PAXTON
WILSONS?
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WHICH ONE is YOUR FAMILY = ADVISE ME =
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and FIND OUT who these SELLERS FAMILIES are, etc
Write our SELLERS board or DAUPHIN CO, PA board and KEEP in touch.
THANKS and Best Wishes, marie, iowa

- Here's what I know for sure about George: he appears in the 1830 census for Middletown, Dauphin Co. I also found him listed in the Chronicles of Middletown, 1832, in a roster of parents who had children in a Union Sunday school. The children's names were George,jr, Hiram, Sarah, and Mary. My g-grandfather David was not listed since that was the year he was born. Two daughters were also not listed: Margaret and Susan. Anything else I have on any George Sellers listings is open to speculation--just can't nail down his ancestry. It may well be that his parents were from another part of PA farther east. Remembering that Indian skirmishes were still taking place in the central and western PA regions during the mid to late 1700's, it was not a safe place to rear a family.

I know that George's wife Margaret was born in 1800 since I can trace her through the Blair Co. census data and her age corresponds to the years of the census. She was 50 in 1850, 60 in 1860, etc. The only other listing I have for a Margaret Wilson in Dauphin Co. is the family
of John Wilson and wife Ruth Wilson in 1812, Drumore Twp whose children are Margaret, Mary, Jean, Sarah, Ruth and Josiah. My Margaret would have been 12 years old at the time, so it's a possibility.

From 1835 to the present time, I have pretty much nailed down the movements of Margaret and the children including my g-grandfather David who fought in the Civil War and received a pension for injuries sustained (NARA data).

Thanks for any help in locating George's parents
Carl Sellers

CARL, thanks for understanding and sharing.

NOW, why look some where else, IF he could still be in 1820 DAUPHIN CO, PA =

GEORGE SELLERS, PAGE 113 LONDONDERRY=0001-101=
male 16/26 = 1794/1804
female 16/26 = 1794/1804
female u 10
next
SAMUEL LOCKHART
SIMEON GIGLOVE
MARY ORTER
CHRISTIAN LANDIS
DAVID HENRY
===
in 1830 dauphin Co, Pa they have a dau 1815/20

===
I do NOT see a DRUMORE CO, PA = advise Complete Document on WILSON family =
=
I see many possibilities of MD here?? NO proof
=
WE don't have enough DOCUMENTS on DAUPHIN CO,PA = SO, how can we FIND/TRACE anyone?
PLEASE, TRY the 1820/1830 SELLERS in DAUPHIN CO, PA for info AND who they belong to=
WHOSE kids OR brothers belong to =

From:
R-L-M <R-L-M@prodigy.net>
I found this in FTM, Pennsylvania Vital Records.

BURIALS AT DAUPHIN CEMETERY, DAUPHIN COUNTY PENNSYLVANIA

John SELLERS, b. March 5, 1760, d. March 5, 1833, aged 73 years.

Rachel SELLERS, b. May 11, 1765, died July 25, 1821, 56yr,2 mon. 3 days.
wife of John SELLERS

*****

John F. SELLERS, b. ca. 1784, d. August 20, 1855, Aged 71 yrs, 3mths,9d

Elizabeth SELLERS, b. ca. 1789, d. Nov. 15, 1851, Aged 62 yrs,10m,24d
Wife of John SELLERS

*****

John SELLERS JR, b. Jan. 1, 1813, d. July 14, 1882, Aged 69 yrs,6m,12d.

Jane SELLERS, b. November 17, 1817, d. June 29, 1859, 41yrs, 7m,12d.
Wife of John SELLERS JR.

*****

Elizabeth SELLERS, b. August 13, 1832, d. Nov. 4, 1892. 60yrs,2m,22d.
Wife of John SELLERS

*****
Samuel SELLERS, b. March 31, 1826, d. March 1, 1900, Aged 73 yrs, 11m.
*****
==============================
IT looks like PROBATE records are available from 1785 = NEED
NEED documents/info to PROVE these families.
marie iowa

Thu 9/5/2002
Thanks Marie - I am still waiting for answers from a couple of sources in Dauphin Co.--one is the keeper of records at the Middletown cemetery and the other is the Dauphin Co Historical Society. Incidentally, so far, they have done nothing but take my $ donation. No response after 3 months.

I am looking at a list of wills from Chester Co, PA dated 1713-1825. There is a Paul E Sellers who had two sons named George. In 1791, he directed in his will that "youngest son George" should receive the remainder of the estate and to care for his mother while she lived. The "Prove Date" was 17 Jan 1794. Somewhere I have an early county map of PA that shows Chester Co. stretching all the way to central PA which is where Dauphin Co is located. As far as any association between those dates and g-g-grandfather George, it would be a match, BUT!!, haven't made the connection. Also, at that time in history, many young men were named George W.

You mentioned a connection to MD--George and Margaret son Hiram, moved to MD and appears in the censuses for 1860 and 1890 in Cumberland, Alleghany Co. In 1890, his occupation is listed as "boatbuilder" and he lived in Broadway, near city line. Funny thing, I located a current resident in that area by the name of Hiram Sellers, but have yet to hear from him.

Thanks again for your help--if I find more about George and Margaret, I'll pass it on.

Carl

nov 28, 2002
I have a copy of "Chronicles of Middletown"(PA) by C.W. Hutchinson, 1906 in which there is an account of a Union Sunday School "commenced in the old Ebenezer Methodist church" in the early part of 1832. Among the roster of scholars and parents were great aunts and uncles Hiram(who ended up in Cumberland, MD), GeorgeWho ended up in Hollidaysburg, PA), Sarah, Mary(aka Maime, who married Elmer Clymer in Bucks Co.), and listed as the parent was my g-g-grandfather George Sellers. Not listed was my g-grandfather David M. who was born in 1832, and who also ended up in Hollidaysburg, PA. He married Rebecca Martin there in 1857. Both George,jr and David served in the Civil War. It also talks about the early settlers of Middletown being Scots-Irish who were."big, brawny men who were excellent shots" with the old muzzle loaders. It was said that they could hit a three-inch target every time from a distance of 250 yards. Considering the accuracy of those old smooth bore rifles, I would say that one other description of the Scots-Irish should be that they stretched the truth.

Hope this account gives rise to some other Sellers researcher looking for the same family.

Happy Thanksgiving.

Carl Sellers

CARL, thanks. I did add the 1880 census and two obits? IF you know where /when Hiram died? would appreciate the info from the census you have. There is a HIRAM SELLERS listed in 1870 Delaware, DC, MD, don't have the page number. YES, these areas lay very close to PA.
marie, iowa
1880 Census Place: Cumberland, Allegany, Maryland
Source: FHL Film 1254493 National Archives Film T9-0493     Page 71A
Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace
Hiram SELLERS Self M M W 51 PA
Occ: Boat Builder Fa: PA Mo: PA
Rebecca SELLERS Wife F M W 45 PA
Occ: Keeping House Fa: PA Mo: PA
George SELLERS Son M S W 17 PA
Occ: Boatman Fa: PA Mo: PA
Charles SELLERS Son M S W 15 PA
Occ: Boatman Fa: PA Mo: PA
Ida SELLERS Dau F S W 14 PA
   Fa: PA Mo: PA
Minnie SELLERS Dau F S W 12 MD
   Fa: MD Mo: MD
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Cumberland Times Excerpts 1885
     Excerpts from The Cumberland Times transcribed by Charles Often

SELLERS 27 Mar 1885 Mrs Sellers, wife of Hiram Sellers on Maryland Avenue, died last night. She leaves a large
family of
children. She was the mother-in-law of Howard Deetz, foreman of the B&O RR machine shops. The funeral is from
Kingsley
ME Church with Rev Wilson and interment in Rose Hill Cemetery.

1915 CUMBERLAND TIMES
SELLERS 18 Jan 1915 Mary Margaret Sellers, 3 months daughter of Mr & Mrs William Sellers of Coffman Street
died yesterday of Pneumonia. Burial in Rose Hill Cemetery.

====
Cumberland Times, Saturday, 27 Dept 1924:

Mrs. Annie L. Deetz
Mrs. Annie L. Deetz, 72 years, widow of Howard F. Deetz, one
of the oldest residents of this city, died at her home, 627
Maryland Avenue early this morning. She is survived by a son Howard S.
Deetz. She leaves also a sister, Miss Ida Sellers, and three brothers,
George, William, and Charles Sellers, and two granddaughters, Mrs.
Victory Toomey and Miss May Williams. She was the mothers of the
late Mrs. Austin V. Williams. The funeral will take place Monday
afternoon at 3 o'clock from the home of George Sellers, 607 Maryland Ave.
Burial will be in Rose Hill Cemetery. Rev. Thomas M. Dickey, pstor of
Kinsley Methodist Episcopal Church of which Mrs. Deetz was a member
will officiate.

More later,
Lee Deetz Fasnacht
"Kenneth W. Fasnacht" <kfasn@pcfl.net>
-----Original Message-----
From: Kathryn Sellers [mailto:ksellers@mcs.k12.nc.us]
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 8:29 AM
To: mari@netins.net
Subject: Hiram in Cumberland, MD

Marie - Hiram S Sellers appears in the census for 1860 and 1890 in Cumberland, MD. His occupation in 1890 is listed as "boat builder". I learned from another document that he married a young woman from Duncansville, PA (Blair Co.) before moving to MD. It should be noted that Cumberland is only a short distance from the PA state line, so it wasn't a long journey for him. I was not able to find names of any children, but in present day area near Baltimore, MD is a listing for a Hiram S Sellers. I wrote to him to find out if he was descended from my g-uncle, but so far, no response.

Carl

Marie - David who is listed as a laborer and living with Thompson the
blacksmith, is my g-grandfather. David was the youngest child of George and
Margaret. George W Sellers, age 25, married to Mary is David's older
brother. Their brother Hiram moved to Cumberland, MD and became a boat
builder. Just as an aside, one of Hiram's descendants, also named George,
runs a travel agency in Baltimore. I've talked to him on-line. He isn't
into family history as yet, but he knew about another Hiram in his family
background. Last time I sent you a msg, I think I mistakenly said that
George went to MD. He actually stayed in Blair Co. Sorry if I confused
you.

Carl

> CARL, thank you.
> Now, where is your 1840 census on Margaret born 1800?
> I still can only find =
>
> 1840 HUNTINGDON CO, PA =
>> MARGRET SELLERS, PAGE 228, HOLLIDAYSBURG=01/0101=
>> male = 5/10 = 1830/35
>> female = 5/10 = 1830/35
>> female 15/20 = 1820/25 (corrected, msh)
> =
> I do believe the 1850/60/70 census list her as ca 1800.
> OR are we missing something ?
> The other kids are NOT on this families 1840 Hunt Co, Pa census either!!
> were we living next door with another child/family?
> next
> JACOB BAKER 20/30
> TIM DAVIS 20/30
> JACOB TAYLOR 30/40
> JOHN GALAWAY 30/40
> HENRY MITCHELL 30/40
> PHALANEN JOSLIN 20/30
> JOHN MACKEY 30/40
> =
> Have a good trip and I hope you find some documents!
> marie, iowa
>

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CARL, thanks for the update. We will continue. marie, iowa
-----Original Message-----
From: ksellers [mailto:cksellers@nc.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 10:40 PM
To: Marie Hollinger
Subject: Family search

Marie - I finally made the trip to Middletown, Dauphin Co., PA to try and track down my g-g-grandfather George W. Sellers. Overall, it was a disappointing result, however, after two days of research in the library, I discovered the following:

George was a Presbyterian whose family came originally from Scotland. The Presbyterians were persecuted there and eventually crossed the Irish Sea to Ulster province in Ireland. They were ostracized by the Irish, as well. There was no way the Scots and the Irish ever intermarried because of their cultural differences. The Scottish exodus from Ulster was mostly done in two waves--the first during the 1730's and the second during the 1750's. The first wave undoubtedly landed in the Carolinas--I was able to ascertain that from a local source. A family named McPhaul has a pretty detailed family history and they settled in SC near the Pee Dee River where they proceeded north and eventually settled in Robeson Co., NC. Their arrival date in NC was early 1730's. I'm only guessing, but I believe the second wave of immigrants landed in PA, DE, and possibly other states in the northeast.

I toured the cemetery in Middletown where George was buried, and found the area where his grave is located. Unfortunately, it was raining that day and their were thousands of grave markers in that section. The overseer at the cemetery was no help. He was busy preparing for two burials, and he just didn't want to be bothered. One bit of good news, I got the phone number of the town historian who has her own documents. The librarian said she has an office on the second floor of the library where she keeps all her materials, but she only works there once or twice each month, and as luck would have it, she was out of town while I was there.

I'll keep you posted if and when I find more.

Carl Sellers

Marie - You've got it right so far. The youngest male in 1840 is David.
I believe the females are Mary and Margaret. It would not have been
uncommon for a widow with children to "farm them out" to other households to
learn a trade in return for room and board for them. I'm speaking of the
male members, such as what happened to my g-grandfather David when he was
living and working for a blacksmith named Thompson. George was the oldest
and by then was probably on his own. Hiram was the next oldest son and
could have also been on his own. I don't know of any other male children,
but there was one other daughter named Anne. So far, the only place I have
her is in a Sunday school class in Middletown in "early 1832". Got that
from a book, "The Chronicles of Middletown". By 1840, Anne would have been
an advanced teenager and well could have been married. Just don't know what
happened to her. Later, Mary married a guy from Bucks Co. and Margaret
married a guy from Altoona named McClosky. Hope this helps.

Carl

DATE OF SAME? msh =

In "The Chronicles of Middletown" , George's name appears as a member of a local group who were among the "Scotch-Irish" settlers.

I would be most appreciative for any information from list members pertaining to this family.

Thank you.

Carl Sellers
ksellers [cksellers@nc.rr.com]

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CARL, thanks for staying in here and resending your family .

We do seem to be in a dead end here in Dauphin.

We don't have land deeds do we? might show who transferred land to whom = a son? maybe? What do we know about DERRY twn? seems/memory I didn't trace this land to another township made from??

otherwise, checking out EACH kid , is next.

thanks, best wishes, marie, iowa

-----Original Message-----
From: ksellers [mailto:cksellers@nc.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 12:15 AM
To: Marie Hollinger
Subject: Dauphin Co., PA Sellers

Marie - Still looking for g-g-grandfather George Sellers. I have two of them in Dauphin Co. in the 1820 census.

1820 -- PA -- Dauphin -- Londonderry twp

Male 16 to 26 1
Female 1 to 10 1
Female 16 to 26 1

Age is right for George's wife Margaret Wilson. I have established her year of birth at 1800. No other evidence to suggest that this is my George.

1820 -- PA -- Dauphin -- Derry twp

Male 1 to 10 1
Male 45 2
Female 1 to 10 1
Female 16 to 26 1

Kinda strange having two males aged 45 in the same household. Once again, the female age 16-26 is the right age for Margaret. Since George died in Dauphin Co., and since I found that George served in the War of 1812, he was obviously older than Margaret who was just a 12 year old girl during that war. Another promising statistic, but no evidence to give me hope. If only they gave the names of the other family members.....frustrating!

Carl Sellers

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JAN 2007

Marie - I was browsing some old Sellers list email (1999) where you asked if any Sellers were found in Huntingdon Co. My G-g-grandmother Margaret Sellers moved there with her children in 1835. Her husband was George W Sellers who died in Middletown, Dauphin Co., PA abt 1834. Margaret is listed in census data as head of household in the 1840 census for Huntingdon Co., and in subsequent censi in Blair Co. which was formed from parts of Huntingdon and Bedford Co.'s in 1846, There was a canal which began near Middletown and crossed the state ending at Pittsburgh. On its way, it went through Hollidaysburg which is where Margaret and family lived. It would have been the most likely way she and all the children made the trip. In those days, it would have been a harrowing journey by land since there were still bands of hostile Indians roaming the countryside in that part of the state. Happy New Year. Carl Sellers

===

CARL, thanks and Best wishes to your searching in 2007. Thanks for the history. This is Always Very Important = where that land laid and was made from. Same area, diff name. It is a good idea to send a review/=Name/Date/Place thro the SELLERS group a couple times a year and ALWAYS when you find a new document, info. marie, iowa

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From: ksellers [mailto:cksellers@nc.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 5:33 PM
To: mari@netins.net
Subject: DNA

Hi Marie - My sister is interested in submitting a dna swab for analysis. How does she get the swab and where does she send it?

Thanks a lot.

Carl Sellers

CARL,

you can use our same group page/rate.

https://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.aspx?code=B24965&special=False

I believe you need your mtdna test also, to compare the mothers.

thanks for helping.

marie, iowa

15. I am female and another potential relative is male. How can we make a DNA connection using Family Tree DNA?

There are two ways to answer this genealogical question. Ideally a match would best be done by testing a known male member of your biological family, (brother, father or first cousin), against the potential male relative. This is our Y chromosome test which would allow us to also search for the Cohanim gene.
The other method, (not as straight forward), utilizes the mother who passes her mtDNA to both male and female offspring and this can be checked using mtDNA or mitochondrial DNA. A match between the mtDNA of a male potential relative and your mtDNA would mean you have a common female ancestor. A male's mtDNA comes only from his mother and is not passed on to his offspring. This is our Maternal Match.

Thank you, Marie.

Carl

march 2009

Marie - I have a little more to add to my page regarding my g-g-grandparents, George W Sellers and Margaret Wilson Sellers of Middletown, Dauphin Co., PA. From Ancestry records:" George Sellers and Margaret Wilson were married on Dec. 25, 1817."

"Margaret Wilson was born 15 Apr. 1800. She died 31 Aug. 1884," That was in Hollidaysburg, Blair Co., PA.

From the Altoona Tribune dated Sept.4, 1884: "Mrs. Margaret Sellers died at the home of her daughter Mrs. Susan Proctor .....She moved to Hollidaysburg in 1837 in the company of her brother-in-law Mr David Mitchell." The article also stated that George died in 1835 in Dauphin Co., PA.

Now I know where that name came from--my g-grandfather was David Mitchell Sellers, as was my father. After all these years of searching, I still find a few new nuggets of family history.

Carl Sellers

ksellers [cksellers@nc.rr.com]

JULY 2009

Marie - If you still have the email I sent you about a year ago that quotes from a novel naming all the Scottish families in NC. it is available in most public libraries. There are a host of Sellers family names in the book. I had to return it to the owner, so I no longer have it handy. If need be, I think I can get the book title. author, and publication date.

Carl Sellers
ksellers [cksellers@nc.rr.com]

CARL, thanks.

I do NOT see where you sent this info.

Someone has discussed this with me and was suppose to get the book, but, never did.

You or someone else?

Please send, so we can get this info on our pages and thank you for remembering and sharing.

marie, iowa

Marie - This is what I have documented from census data and old newspaper
articles -- 1860 census for Cumberland, Allagany Co., MD lists Hiram
Sellers, boat builder,wife Rebecca, children George age 17, Charles age 15,
Ida age14, and Minnie age 12. There were two younger children not listed in
that census -- one named Annie and another named William. .

>From the Cumberland Times 1885 -- 27 MAR, wife of Hiram Sellers died
>last
night. She will be buried in Rose Hill Cemetery. There were other Sellers
family members also buried in RHC. The last one I have is Annie Sellers
Deetz who died 27 SEPT 1924. She left a sister Miss Ida Sellers, and three
brothers George, William, and Charles.

That leaves a one generation gap between Hiram and George the travel agent
In 02, I wrote to a Hiram Sellers in Baltimore to find out if he had a
connection with Cumberland Co. Hiram, and could possibly be the father of
George the travel agent. No response. It's frustrating. I'll try the
travel agent--he should certainly know who his father and grandfather are.

Carl
ksellers [cksellers@nc.rr.com]
nov 2009

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Marie - As you see, I heard from George the travel agent. Aside from the George Sellers names, I don't recognize the others. I notice one Frederick Sellers and I recall a Frederick and Philip in Dauphin Co.who were from a different Sellers family. English, I think. One glimmer of hope -- if these Sellers have type A pos. blood , there may still be a distant connection.

Carl

----- Original Message -----

From: George@SellersTravel.com

To: 'ksellers'

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 7:59 AM

Subject: RE: Ancestry stuff

Hi Carl,

Good to hear from you again. This was my 4th trip to China. It is a fascinating place to visit. I would not want to live there though.

My father’s name: George Emerson Sellers

My G-father’s name: George Washington Sellers

My G-G-grandfather’s name: John Frank Sellers

All born and lived in Dorchester County, Maryland

John Frank Sellers had at least two sons:

Frederick Sellers

George Washington Sellers

George Washington Sellers had 9 children:
Alton

Leonard

Edward

George Emerson

Bennie

Victoria

Mildred

Lillian

Ruth

Again, all based in Dorchester County Maryland

Thanks
George

George W. Sellers, Certified Travel Counselor / Accredited Cruise Counselor
SellersTravel.com

Mailing Address: PO Box 578, Denton, Maryland 21629

Fedex/UPS Address: 121 Middle Street, Vienna, Maryland 21869 (NO MAIL at this address)

Office: 410-822-0151

Mobile: 410-924-1877
Fax: 443-308-0116
E-Mail: George@SellersTravel.com
Website: www.SellersTravel.com

IATAN: 21-77773-3

From: ksellers [mailto:cksellers@nc.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 5:01 AM
To: George Sellers
Subject: Ancestry stuff

George - My name is Carl Sellers. I sent you an email some time ago to ask if you had done any family research. My g-grandfather David M. Sellers was a younger brother of Hiram Sellers. Hiram was a boat builder in Cumberland, MD on the mid and late 1800's. His eldest son was named George. That name came from my g-g-grandfather George W. Sellers who was the father of Hiram and David. My question to you is, what are the names of your father and grandfather?

I noticed one of your trips was to China, and it peaked my interest, We lived there for 38 months back in the 1960's. I still speak a little Mandarin, but I am long out of practice. Also, at our age, we only travel in case of a family funeral.

Carl

Marie - The blood type eliminates George as a distant relative, except if a little hanky panky was involved somewhere down the line.

Carl

----- Original Message -----

From: George@SellersTravel.com

To: 'ksellers'

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 2:38 PM

Subject: RE: Ancestry

I had to go look it up. I did not remember. Blood type is A-Neg.

From: ksellers [mailto:cksellers@nc.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 2:28 PM
To: George Sellers
Subject: Re: Ancestry

George - Thank you very much for the response. You nailed it down pretty well. Just one more question -- do you happen to have A+ blood type? That info would help deterrmine if there is, or is not, a distant common ancestor.

I agree with your assessment of China. I can't say our time there was enjoyable, but we learned a lot about Chinese ways, and I made several genuine friends who continued to correspond with us for many years after we left.

Thanks again for the family tree.

Carl

CARL, thanks for running this down. WE TRIED! but, probably diff family, msh.

He appears to a THOMAS SELLERS 1816 MD or DE with both parents born DE.

I don't seem to see him in 1840, but diff surname spellings in this area.

1860 DORCHESTER CO., MD
Thomas Sellers District 2, Dorchester, Maryland 45 abt 1815 Maryland Male
Elizabeth Sellers District 2, Dorchester, Maryland 43 abt 1817 Maryland Female
Edward Sellers District 2, Dorchester, Maryland 19 abt 1841 Maryland Male
Jane Sellers District 2, Dorchester, Maryland 17 abt 1843 Maryland Female
Martha Sellers District 2, Dorchester, Maryland 15 abt 1845 Maryland Female
Sarah Sellers District 2, Dorchester, Maryland 13 abt 1847 Maryland Female
Thomas Sellers District 2, Dorchester, Maryland 11 abt 1849 Maryland Male
John Sellers District 2, Dorchester, Maryland 10 abt 1850 Maryland Male (appears to be John Frank Sellers in later census,msh)
William Sellers District 2, Dorchester, Maryland 8 abt 1852 Maryland Male
Martin Sellers District 2, Dorchester, Maryland 5 abt 1855 Maryland Male
Ann Sellers District 2, Dorchester, Maryland 6/12 abt 1859 Maryland Female

They are in Dorchester thro 1930.=

1930 Election District 3, Dorchester, Maryland

John F Sellers Election District 3, Dorchester, Maryland abt 1851 Father=
George W Sellers 52 MD, BOTH PARENTS MD (ca1878,msh)
Sadie E Sellers 51 MD
Edward C Sellers 20 MD
Emerson S Sellers 18 MD
Mildred A Sellers 14MD
Lillian M Sellers 8 MD
Bennie L Sellers 2 11/12 MD
John F Sellers 79 MD, BOTH PARENTS MD (ca 1849,msh)

I don't believe you can prove fathers with blood type. I believe years ago they tried that and didn't work?

Thanks, marie, iowa