From: sellers-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Lee Bruch [lbruch@nwlink.com] Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 7:11 PM To: sellers@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SELLERS] GEORGE DILLMAN, son Andrew 1753 to Bracken C o., KY Here's a long rambling response to Michael Zeller's and Marie from Iowa's queries. I just recently came into possession of some of my mother's voluminous genealogy notebooks, part of it re the Zeller family. I’m just beginning the process of sorting through them, scanning stuff, verifying the facts, etc. so am interested in information others have. My lineage traces back per our family’s belief and her notebooks as follows: Stephen Zeller I (aka Sellaire), b. in Zürich?, d. 1552 in Zürich. One of his children was: Stephen Zeller II (aka Sellaire), b. ab. 1535 in Zersen, Schaumburg, Kassel Prussia, d. 1606 in Zürich. One of his children was: Hans Heinrich Zeller (aka Sellaire), b. ab. 1609 in Zürich, d. 1672; he was professor of Sacred Theology at the University of Zürich, the same chair Zwingli held. One of his children was: Hans Rudolph Zeller (aka Sellaire), b. ab. 1637 in Zürich, d. 1693; he was court preacher at Zweilbrucken Palatine ... at various times in Germany and France. One of his children was: Jaques Zeller (aka Jacques Sellaire), b. ab. 1660 in Zürich, d. 1709* enroute to America, married ab. 1685 to Clothilde Lady de Valois, b. 1660 in Paris, France, d. 2 Jan 1749 in Stouchsburg, PA. - (Clohtilde's existence is unproven and in dispute) The 2nd of their 8* children was: Johannes (John George) Zeller, b. 1686 in France, d. 25 Oct 1737* in Tulpenhocken Twp, PA , married in 1712 to Anna Catherina Batdorf, b. 1692 in Palatine, Germany, d. 14 Jan 1749 in Mill Creek Twp., Lebanon, PA. The 6th of their 9 children was: Johann Heinrich Zeller, b. 1720 in Schoharie NY, d. 1789, married in 1737 to Maria Margeret Reith in Heidelberg Twp, Berks, PA., b. 1721 in Ansberg, Scholarie, NY, d. 1807. The 2nd of their 2 children was: Michael Sellers, b. 5 May 1747 in Heidelberg Twp., Berks, PA, d. 4 June 1836, married on 20 Dec 1786 in Lebanon Co., Heidleberg Twp PA. to Catherine Heidel Dillman, b. 1763, d. 1860. It is unclear until I sort through, there are some indications that they had they had 7 children: Michael b. 13 May 1774 John George b. 26 April 1776 John b. 1777 Marie Barbara, b. 1779 Mary Barbara, b. 19 May 1785 Philip, b. 27 May 1789 George Sr., b. 1793 or 1794 in Wayne Co. See footnote 1 below There are other indications that they may have had 1 child (George Sr., b. 1793).. both options continue as follows: George Sellers Sr., b. 1793 in Wayne Co. OH, married on 23 Mar 1813 in Stouchsburg, Berk, PA. to Sophie Hehn, b. abt. 1800 in PA. The 1st of their 6 children was: George Sellers Jr., b. 1823 in Wayne Co., OH, d. 1895, married Ann Rebecca Staley, b. Apr. 1826 in Marion, Grant Co., IN., d. 1902 in Marion, Grant Co., IN. The 1st of their 8 children was: Mary Jane (Staley) Bruch, b. 1847 in IN., d. Oct 1898 in Grant Co. IN; on 24 Mar 1868 married William Bruch, b. 1847 in Huntington Co. IN, d. 1921 in Marion, Grant Co. IN.. The 2nd of their 3 children was: Emro Clinton Bruch, b. 22 Jun 1875 in North Manchester, Wabash Co. IN, d. 26 Sep 1930 in Modesto, CA; on 24 Dec. 1898 married Jessie Hiatt, b. 25 Nov 1878 in Nottingham, Wells Co., IN, d. 5 May 1973 in Paradise, Butte Co., CA. The 5th of their 5 children was my father. FOOTNOTE 1 re DILLMAN / ZELLER: Our family has some Dillman's in one of the branches of our Zeller / Seller line, but we have very little info on them except as follows. May or may not be "Marie's" Dillman. Henry DILLMAN (no other info) father of... Catherine (Heidel) DILLMAN, b. 1763, d. 4 June 1836, married on 20 Dec 1786 at Berks, Heidelberg Twp, PA (but see item (h) below) to Michael SELLERS / ZELLER (b. 5 May 1747 in Heidelberg Twp. PA, d. Dec. 1824, moved from PA to OH abt 1814-1817). They had 7 children: Michael b. 13 May 1774 John George b. 26 April 1776 John b. 1777 Marie Barbara, b. 1779 Mary Barbara, b. 19 May 1785 Philip, b. 27 May 1789 George Sr., b. 1793 or 1794 in Wayne Co. OH The above from info is in notebooks assembled by my mother (deceased) referencing that it was copied from George Seller's diary (held by others in the family still living) dating from when he moved from Wayne Co OH to Indiana. In those notebooks, are photocopies of much correspondence, including amongst others, each of the following: (a) formal brief dated 1853 to court in KY and to the US Army Pension dept for Catherine Sellers to receive the revolutionary war pension of her deceased husband Michael (b) Various sworn affidavits presented in court from people who knew them re his history and revolutionary war background. (c) There seems to have been some dispute whether Michael had already received his pension by a "bounty land warrant" prior to her application, but she seems to have eventually prevailed. From the affidavits, its seems they were very poor, and since it was specifically mentioned in some of the letters, I'm guessing poor even by frontier standards (or they were playing on the court's heartstrings). (d) Award of that pension by County Court held at Independence KY on 13 Jan 1853, endorsed by various departments of the army culminating in certificate of pension dated 12 March, 1853 (e) There is some confusion whether he enlisted in Woodstock VA and served in "Captain Crogham's Company of the Eighth Regiment of the Virginia Continental Line under the command of Peter Muchlinberg(?) (writing unclear) or 7(?) years as most of the letters attest, or ... (f) ... or whether he enlisted in PA or NY and served in "Capt. Jonathan Hallett's Co. in the 2nd Batt'n of New York Forces commanded by Col. Phillip Cortland, per a collection of photocopies of 76 Company Muster and Payroll from the military. (the final "Return" dated Dec 7, 1976 shows him as "inlisted" at "Peeckskill") (g) Are the Michael Zellers / Sellers in items (e) and (f) the same person or different people? (Incidentally, in various documents from the time the handwritten spelling Zeller and Seller was used interchangeably, even by the same person in the same document.) Our family's historic belief is that he was born in PA to a family that originated in the Palatine (variously under the control of Germany or France), emigrated originally to upstate New York with the Palatines in 1709, thence to Schoharie NY, thence to Berk Co. PA, thence to OH, thence to IN. We have never understood a KY connection. However, given how people wander and move, even then, it's quite conceivable. And see item (h) below: (h) One of the sworn affidavits of 1853 mentioned in item (b) above contains a clue re the NY / PA / VA / KY connection: To quote: "... (her) husband was a native of Germany and came to the United States when very young and settled with his family in Lancaster Country Pa - that at the breaking out of the Revolutionary War he was in Woodstock, in Shanandoah County, Va, at which place she thinks he enlisted into said Company and Regiment, though she cannot say positively, but thinks if he did not enlist there, he returned to Lancaster County Pa, and then immediately enlisted, though her impression is that he did enlist at Woodstock Va. That we has frequently heard her husband say that he was in the battles of Brandywine, Monmouth and Germantown and that he was also a participant in what he termed the Southern Campaigns. ...." signed, Samuel Hughery, witnessed Samuel Kelley. Comment: the affidavits are by people quite old at the time, many years after the fact ... memories and stories often get embellished or changed or misremembered. (i) In item (h) its stated that Michael Seller came originally from Germany. But the Zellers of Tulpenhocken, Berks PA are well documented in the US for a generation prior to Michael Zeller being born. Another clue that we're talking about 2 different people? Or did his family speak German after they arrived, and in the mind of his elderly widow and neighbors did that confuse things about where he had been born? (j) compare above item (h) to item (f) which shows the copies of the original pay and muster rolls showing him being in various places such as Rochester, Peekskill, White Plains, Camp North Castle, Valley Forge (1778), Camp near Morristown, Schenectady, Camp West Point, , Fort Herkimer, etc. It's quite possible that 2 people with the same name have been confused. (In researching my wife's ancestors in Bessarabia and Württemberg Germany in the 1800's we came across 3 generations of people with the same first, last, and middle names from one family and 2 generations of identical names from a another family in the same locales at the same time ... fortunately the German kirchenbuchs and other records helped a few of us untangle that, but it took quite a while.) I suspect this will take some time to untangle too. Hmmm ... the puzzles of the past ... and I doubt if I could recreate the travels and all my temporary residences of myself in my own youth. -----Original Message----- From: sellers-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sellers-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael Sellers Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 1:49 PM To: sellers@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SELLERS] GEORGE DILLMAN, son Andrew 1753 to Bracken C o., KY I know we've covered it before, but I would be greatly interested in whether the parents and lineage of Catherine Dillman's husband, Michael Zeller/Sellers, is any closer to being determined. If memory serves me correctly, Catherine stated somewhere along the line, possibly in the pension application, that husband Michael was either born in Germany or born to German parents and had enlisted in the Revolutionary War in Woodstock, Virginia. She was unclear, however, as to whether he was living in Pennsylvania at that time or whether he was in Virginia. Having my earliest Zeller/Sellers ancestors in that area in present-day Rockingham County as early as 1747, Michael Zeller/Sellers has always been of great interest. Michael Sellers ________________________________ From: marie sellers hollinger To: malloryf@ix.netcom.com; sellers@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, November 29, 2010 12:54:38 PM Subject: Re: [SELLERS] GEORGE DILLMAN, son Andrew 1753 to Bracken C o., KY MALLORY, thanks for sharing. I am interested in this ANDREW DILLMAN 1753 that is in Bracken Co., KY. We need any extractions of this family here. I believe I saw a REV WAR ANDREW DILLMAN buried in Bracken Co., KY. and his rev war file sent to us my a member. same?? and a brother George across the river in Clermont, OH. but, NOT young enough to be Henry, father of Catherine. THANK YOU for sharing, I believe the DNA tests will help us most. I haven't found the Henry Dillman, our Catherine's father. Thanks, best wishes, marie, iowa -----Original Message----- From: malloryf@ix.netcom.com [mailto:malloryf@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 1:52 PM To: mari@netins.net Subject: FW: Re: These are the known children of Hans George Dillman and his wife Margarethra Murr. These have been gathered from baptism records. Hans George Dillman went by George on most of his documents. There have been some dna tests from other Dillmans who look like they are relatives of Hans George Dillman. Hans George Dillman shows up on the ship log with his wife and children. No other Dillmans were on his direct ship but that doesn't mean they didn't arrive earlier or later from Germany to Pa. I descend from George Michael Dillman. Have you gone to the Dillman family association web site? They are going to do an article on your Catherine Dillman Sellers I think in an upcoming newsletter. You might want to join. Thanks, M malloryf@ix.netcom.com EarthLink Revolves Around You. ----- Original Message ----- From: Phillip Dillman To: andrew.stillman ;dillman ;bjdjensen ;malloryf@ix.netcom.com Sent: 11/26/2010 10:45:11 PM Subject: Re: You might already have this. Here is what I have in the Barbara Jensen pages (added comments in parenthesis): Hans Georg Dillmann b. 29 Feb 1724 md. 26 Apr 1746 to Margaretha Murr b. 26 Jul 1723 Hagsfeld, Baden, Germany Their children: Margaretha Dillman b. 9 Jan 1748 Neureut, Baden-Durlach, Germany chr 11 Jan 1748 Georg Adam Dillman b. 29 Sep 1749 " " " " chr. 8 Oct 1749 (became George Stillman in Nova Scotia, CAN) Cathrina Appolonia Dillman b. 22 Sep 1751 at sea chr 22 Sep 1751 Phila. md. 5 Oct. 1772 to Michael Zoeller in Heidelberg, Berks Co., PA Andrew Dillman b. 3 Dec 1753 PA chr 27 Jan 1754 Bethel, PA d. 21 May 1823 Bracken, KY md. 1 Aug 1777 to Anna Barbara Roush in Northumberland, PA Anna Margaret Dillman b. 13 Sep 1758 chr. 24 Sep, 1758 Bethel, PA (no add'l info) Susanna Rosina Dillman b. Aug 1763 chr. 31 Aug 1763 md. 30 Sep 1783 to Jacob Sichrist in Lancaster, PA George Michael Dillman b. bef 1765 (1764) d. bef. 8 Apr 1830 Franklin, Clermont Co., OH md. abt. 1785 to Christiana Heifer in Salem, Snyder Co. PA Conrad (Cunradt) Dillman b. 25 Oct 1765 chr. 1 Nov 1765 d. 11 Nov 1834 Green twp., Summit Co., OH md. 21 Oct 1786 to Mary Elizabeth Christina Bindnagel, in Lancaster Co., PA Hope that helps anyone that didn't have it. Later. Phil --- On Fri, 11/26/10, malloryf@ix.netcom.com wrote: From: malloryf@ix.netcom.com Subject: To: "andrew.stillman" , "pd62pepsi" , "dillman" , "bjdjensen" Date: Friday, November 26, 2010, 12:15 PM The Pa. history book states that Catherine married in 1772. If she was born in 1863 as her pension states the above marriage date has to be incorrect. Catherine states in her affadavit that her marriage was Dec. 20, 1786. The Ky. marriage date of 1776 seems more likely if she was born in 1863. Thanks, M malloryf@ix.netcom.com EarthLink Revolves Around You. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SELLERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SELLERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SELLERS- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message